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Post by Noname117 on Jan 10, 2017 23:43:51 GMT -6
We could have a discussion of the Jeune Ecole somewhere other than in Garrison's thread. Before my destroyers could accomplish something they would have to actually fire a torpedo, and pre-1920 they seem to think the captain has to buy them out of his own pocket. Either that or the contractors welded them into the tubes and nobody can get them out LOL. Though sometimes they seem to be quite content with firing them through your battle-line.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jan 11, 2017 9:11:07 GMT -6
I've noticed that too- DD captain's aggressiveness seems to be in direct proportion to the number of tubes on the boat; maybe there's something in the code that has DDs do math to guess how effective their sacrifice might be?...
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Post by Airy W on Jan 11, 2017 10:12:59 GMT -6
I dont think it makes them more aggressive but I am convinced that it increases their chance of shooting. If you make a three tube destroyer like this they will shoot even with the starting torpedo technology. But you have to keep in mind they dont shoot blindly, they need to aim. That means going parallel to the enemy at close range. On the plus side if they do shoot they have a high chance of hitting and they might even shoot twice.
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Post by director on Jan 11, 2017 11:08:48 GMT -6
I've taken direct control, steered my destroyers to point-blank range ahead and alongside a barely-moving enemy and had them refuse to fire. Once the 'teens are over and I get 6 to 8 torpedoes on a DD they make a quantum leap in competence and I rarely have to manage them.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Sept 13, 2017 21:31:23 GMT -6
This is pretty interesting... Has anyone ever seen something like that? I think that sub captain just became a legend (Japanese ASW-protocol inquisitions not withstanding).
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Post by cv10 on Sept 13, 2017 22:13:05 GMT -6
Perhaps the Combined Fleet might consider an investment in submarine nets for the entrance to the fleet anchorage!
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 13, 2017 22:18:42 GMT -6
Perhaps the Combined Fleet might consider an investment in submarine nets for the entrance to the fleet anchorage! If I remember, submarine nets did not help HMS Royal Oak and neither did block ships. Prien entered Scapa Flow on the surface.
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Post by cv10 on Sept 13, 2017 22:30:06 GMT -6
Perhaps the Combined Fleet might consider an investment in submarine nets for the entrance to the fleet anchorage! If I remember, submarine nets did not help HMS Royal Oak and neither did block ships. Prien entered Scapa Flow on the surface. Scapa's defenses had been seriously neglected during the interwar period, and the Submarine nets only covered the three main entrances to the harbor. Prien's route was supposed to be blocked by the block ships, but they were not a sufficient obstacle (obviously). Interestingly enough, the submarine nets did prove of use in World War I, and helped prevent two separate attempts by German u-boats to enter the harbor. The British habitually neglected to make Scapa a genuinely safe anchorage until HMS Royal Oak was sunk, which led to the churchill barriers. In World War I, Jellicoe was kept up at night by the fear that the German fleet would try a surprise attack on the Grand Fleet at anchor. We can think that's a bit outlandish, but for a good chunk of the early weeks of the war, there were only a handful of light guns to defend the port, and Jellicoe felt horribly exposed. The Japanese were able to sneak a few of those mini-subs into Sydney harbor in 1942, but the Sydney anti-submarine net was not yet finished, and there were several fairly large gaps in it (of up to 400 meters)
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Sept 13, 2017 22:31:48 GMT -6
Personally, I hear Combined Fleet is refuting the claims that a single sub Captain could penetrate the anchorage to sink 2 vessels with a 1st generation submarine that probably had 2 hours of battery and a max dive of 100 feet. Its the damn English cordite they're saying, coupled with the laughable and ignored restriction on smoking in the magazines...
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Post by cv10 on Sept 13, 2017 22:37:53 GMT -6
Its the damn English cordite they're saying, coupled with the laughable and ignored restriction on smoking in the magazines... Does the Combined Fleet permit flogging or does having an open flame near explosive ordinance qualify as a capital crime? I'm not bloodthirsty or a martinet, but sometimes examples must be made, particularly if they almost cause a ship to blow up like Guy Fawkes Night!
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Post by Airy W on Sept 13, 2017 23:34:08 GMT -6
Personally, I hear Combined Fleet is refuting the claims that a single sub Captain could penetrate the anchorage to sink 2 vessels with a 1st generation submarine that probably had 2 hours of battery and a max dive of 100 feet. Its the damn English cordite they're saying, coupled with the laughable and ignored restriction on smoking in the magazines... I hear that it was done without a submarine at all. It was done by insane men claiming to be frogs!
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Sept 16, 2017 13:44:49 GMT -6
Speaking of insane men, Two German battle cruisers encountered Izumo and her sister. While they broke away their escorts were sent in to try to turn aside the onrushing Germans. In what may be the most successful open-field tackle in Garrison RTW history, both battle-cruisers were hit and started limping away. A parting shot however struck Izumo. The flash was instantaneous, likely breaking off the stern. The cruiser Chiyoda moved in to rescue survivors... ...in THESE conditions; How were 145 men saved?? It was a blooming miracle. Whatever the highest award for seamanship is, Chiyoda gets it.
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Post by Airy W on Sept 17, 2017 7:17:39 GMT -6
Seems to me that the frogmen made another appearance!
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Sept 17, 2017 14:26:07 GMT -6
They were certainly that wet!
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Oct 10, 2017 10:34:26 GMT -6
I need to immortalize one of my destroyers, for deeds beyond the expectations of an AI destroyer. This is the Andromeda, a modern and powerful British battle-cruiser. The British were encountered at night, and so as my old and weak BCs sheered off the scouting forces doing their job remained engaged at the edge of sight, Cosmao, Friant, and their 2 destroyers, Framee & Yatagan. Cosmao would get overwhelmed, and Friant would break away with her consort, however diligent Yatagan remained engaged. The opposition force was 4 battle-cruisers, 3 of them of this type and a 4th which I could have matched- however my old battle-cruisers would be vaporized by the 3 Hogues, so I withdrew to the southeast matching their original course and speed and hoped to find them with my battleships at dawn- I did, 4 hours later, and all 3 remaining were destroyed. Remaining? Yes, because Andromeda here foundered before dawn, thanks to the Yatagan. Twice she disabled her rudder, forcing her to detach and turn circles, she put 2 torpedoes into the same flank and fired her 5" guns from such a range that they occasionally penetrated even Andromeda's belt. And she survived the action. That's terrier level doggedness.
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