Battleship request

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I have an idea. Since RTW1 already uses request from leader/government about certain ships, RTW2 should have for example super-battleship building quests. For example if you play as Japan, Germany or Russia/SSSR, there would be a quest like "nation leader wants you to build a prestigious super battleship with at least 50 000 ton displacement, at least 8 guns of at least 15in calibre and at least 27 knots top speed. If u manage to do so, then +3 prestige, if not, then -1 budget, or -1 prestige etc..."
This should not apply to democratic nations like USA, France or Great Britain. Or if the nation has perk "global naval power" then the player would be required to build such ships if some other nation do so even when playing as a democratic nation.
Your opinions?

[janxol]

I think that every requirement appart from type is bad. Top speed, number of guns, that's MY thing, as minister/admiral to consider, politians won't tell how many guns to put on my ship or how fast it should be.

"Build a battleship larger than [tonnage of largest foreign battleship here]" would be understandable, but the details and tactical capabilities shouldn't be subject to politicians and their meddling.
In my opinion at least.

[Adseria]

May 11, 2019 9:22:14 GMT -6 janxol said:

I think that every requirement appart from type is bad. Top speed, number of guns, that's MY thing, as minister/admiral to consider, politians won't tell how many guns to put on my ship or how fast it should be.

"Build a battleship larger than [tonnage of largest foreign battleship here]" would be understandable, but the details and tactical capabilities shouldn't be subject to politicians and their meddling.
In my opinion at least.

I don't know, I kinda like the idea of occasionally having to design a ship to meet certain specifications. Maybe have it as an optional thing (activate it at game start)? I can certainly imagine that the politicians would meddle in the details of the design, especially in a dictatorship like 1930s Germany or Japan. In particular, there would be a certain amount of prestige for the country that had the battleship with the biggest guns (after all, who doesn't know the name "Yamato?").

Maybe the politician would say something like "build a battleship larger than x tons with at least y" guns."

[Antediluvian Monster]

Closest I can think of is Hitler ordering Scharnhorsts to use only 11" guns rather than 15" that the navy wanted. The latter bore was politically sensitive with the British. Politicans generally didn't need to tell navy to build bigger, the navies were good at taking care of that themselves. Yamato's design was a question of IJN's military strategy, for one. Special—limited time—restrictions beyond what you are technically capable would be more plausible.

'30s Japan wasn't exactly a dictatorship, even if the heavily political military held strong sway.

[oldpop2000]

May 11, 2019 11:04:50 GMT -6 Antediluvian Monster said:

Closest I can think of is Hitler ordering Scharnhorsts to use only 11" guns rather than 15" that the navy wanted. The latter bore was politically sensitive with the British. Politicans generally didn't need to tell navy to build bigger, the navies were good at taking care of that themselves. Yamato's design was a question of IJN's military strategy, for one.

'30s Japan wasn't exactly a dictatorship, even if the heavily political military held strong sway.

If you examine the launch date of the Scharnhorst, it was October 3, 1936. The development date and in-service date of the Bismarck 14.96 inch guns which probably would have equipped the Scharnhorst's was 1939. Simple put, the necessary 15 inch guns were not ready when the Scharnhorst were built and launched. They built the capability of installing the 15 inch guns later, but that never occurred.

[janxol]

Hitler was meddling a lot in both the bismarcks and the Scharnhorsts. The reason 15 inch guns weren't ready for Scharnhorsts is because they were designed with 11 inch in mind and 15 inch guns were Hitler's last minute idea after Germany signed the Ango-German Naval agreement. Hitler was also meddling with the Bismarcks which led to them being armed with said 15 inch guns (as far as I know the same turret design that was developed for rearming the Scharnhorsts, rather than 14 inch, like Reader wanted.

In game perspective, I would be rather annoyed with fuhrers meddling in my gun calibers.

[Adseria]

May 11, 2019 11:32:24 GMT -6 janxol said:

Hitler was meddling a lot in both the bismarcks and the Scharnhorsts. The reason 15 inch guns weren't ready for Scharnhorsts is because they were designed with 11 inch in mind and 15 inch guns were Hitler's last minute idea after Germany signed the Ango-German Naval agreement. Hitler was also meddling with the Bismarcks which led to them being armed with said 15 inch guns (as far as I know the same turret design that was developed for rearming the Scharnhorsts, rather than 14 inch, like Reader wanted.

In game perspective, I would be rather annoyed with fuhrers meddling in my gun calibers.

Hence why I suggested making it optional.

[dorn]

Issue with Scharnhorst and Bismarck was that as raiders there were no better than Graf Spee. The only advantage they gave to Axis was fleet of being that Royal Navy needs a lot of ship to maintain blockade and protect convoys to Russia and in one case has even effect on breaking convoy and loosing a lot of ships. However even Graf Spee could be similar threat as no allied cruiser can fight them 1 vs 1.