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Post by taeven on May 24, 2019 1:17:18 GMT -6
Italy build some interesting battleships... Attachments:
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Post by goodcaptinkirk on May 24, 2019 2:36:02 GMT -6
I think I've identified a design flaw in your ship, lads. (It can't shoot the ships behind it (That might have saved it's life))
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Post by namuras on May 24, 2019 2:59:00 GMT -6
I think I've identified a design flaw in your ship, lads. (It can't shoot the ships behind it (That might have saved it's life)) These ships are actually frightening... atleast for me. As Germany i have nothing currently build or under construction that can take these. And the UK is throwing them around like candy.
In my current playthru the HSF is leading in CV forces. I was the first to build CVL and CVs. First CVL was launched in 1919 or so. The first CV was converted 2 years later.
I have had one war with the UK and one with the UK+ITA against me in the last 13 years since then. Neither of them have build CVL or CVs yet, BUT they are already at divebombers, all while the HSF sits on the most modern CVs in the world and is sporting nothing but fighters.
Apparently discovery of "late airdropped torpedoes" does NOT give you the ability to develop torpedo bombers.
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Post by dorn on May 24, 2019 3:44:45 GMT -6
I have just been reading after action report of my battle. One of enemy destroyers were sunk and I cannot see any hits by guns and bombs. So I open ships details and expected to show torpedo hits. There were nones. I was quite suprised how can ship sunk without being hit.
I opened log and read:
16:55 1500 lb bomb Near miss! Hull plating ruptured by bomb burst! (Typhoon D from CV Courageous, AP) 16:55 1500 lb bomb Near miss! Hull plating ruptured by bomb burst! (Typhoon D from CV Courageous, AP)
Near misses are not recorded as hits. And this was enough to sink 1600 tons destroyer.
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Post by Adseria on May 24, 2019 5:26:30 GMT -6
I think I've identified a design flaw in your ship, lads. (It can't shoot the ships behind it (That might have saved it's life)) All-forward armament is a thing; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson-class_battleship
Also, historically, battlecruisers were intended for chasing enemy cruisers, so why bother having guns that fire backwards?
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Post by tordenskjold on May 24, 2019 6:35:01 GMT -6
Italy build some interesting battleships... That's literally a pocket battleship.
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Post by griffin01 on May 24, 2019 7:31:34 GMT -6
I think I've identified a design flaw in your ship, lads. (It can't shoot the ships behind it (That might have saved it's life)) All-forward armament is a thing; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson-class_battleship
Also, historically, battlecruisers were intended for chasing enemy cruisers, so why bother having guns that fire backwards?
Because they were also historically designed for running away from enemy battleships. Besides, the poster did not dispute that it was a thing, but rather the obvious disadvantages coming from the design.
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Post by Antediluvian Monster on May 24, 2019 7:44:47 GMT -6
I think I've identified a design flaw in your ship, lads. (It can't shoot the ships behind it (That might have saved it's life)) All-forward armament is a thing; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson-class_battleship
Also, historically, battlecruisers were intended for chasing enemy cruisers, so why bother having guns that fire backwards?
Run to the north.
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Post by ramjb on May 24, 2019 8:30:05 GMT -6
I have just been reading after action report of my battle. One of enemy destroyers were sunk and I cannot see any hits by guns and bombs. So I open ships details and expected to show torpedo hits. There were nones. I was quite suprised how can ship sunk without being hit.
I opened log and read:
16:55 1500 lb bomb Near miss! Hull plating ruptured by bomb burst! (Typhoon D from CV Courageous, AP) 16:55 1500 lb bomb Near miss! Hull plating ruptured by bomb burst! (Typhoon D from CV Courageous, AP)
Near misses are not recorded as hits. And this was enough to sink 1600 tons destroyer.
Bombs detonating close to the hull can be absolutely brutal to the ship they detonate besides if they do so close enough. Underwater detonations can cause frightening levels of structural damage, for one. Severe vibrations can (and will) cause serious concussion damage, from instruments breaking to engines jumping off their bearings. And on a light-skinned ship as a destroyer, mangling the outter hull means causing massive almost instant flooding ships of that size can't handle very well. I'm not surprised a single bit that the destroyer you mention went down after a couple 1500 HE bombs detonated next to it.
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Post by Adseria on May 24, 2019 9:14:56 GMT -6
Because they were also historically designed for running away from enemy battleships. Besides, the poster did not dispute that it was a thing, but rather the obvious disadvantages coming from the design. Yes, they were also designed to run away from enemy battleships. The difference was that they had the speed to do so.
My mistake, the post was worded as though the poster was unaware of all-forward armament.
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Post by Adseria on May 24, 2019 9:17:50 GMT -6
Why would he run at all? He has 2 battlecruisers. plus escorts, vs a single battlecruiser. Unless that one ship is better than both of his BCs combined, there is no reason to run.
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Post by aeson on May 24, 2019 9:46:07 GMT -6
Why would he run at all? He has 2 battlecruisers. plus escorts, vs a single battlecruiser. Unless that one ship is better than both of his BCs combined, there is no reason to run. The Run to the North is a specific phase of the Battle of Jutland, starting roughly when Beatty's Battle Cruiser Fleet sighted the battleships of the High Seas Fleet and ending roughly when the battleships of the Grand Fleet joined the action. It's a historical example of why you might want rear-arc turrets on battlecruisers even as the power most likely capable of bringing superior forces to a battle.
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Post by noshurviverse on May 24, 2019 12:30:13 GMT -6
I think "Leaks in aging structure increase flooding" is going to be the new "high speed increases flooding", stuff can be brutal. Also, thanks Avast!
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Post by Adseria on May 24, 2019 13:50:57 GMT -6
Why would he run at all? He has 2 battlecruisers. plus escorts, vs a single battlecruiser. Unless that one ship is better than both of his BCs combined, there is no reason to run. The Run to the North is a specific phase of the Battle of Jutland, starting roughly when Beatty's Battle Cruiser Fleet sighted the battleships of the High Seas Fleet and ending roughly when the battleships of the Grand Fleet joined the action. It's a historical example of why you might want rear-arc turrets on battlecruisers even as the power most likely capable of bringing superior forces to a battle. Here's an idea, people; stop being so d*mn ambiguous! Yes, I know what the Run to the North was, but his wording sounded like he was offering a suggestion, not an example.
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Post by abclark on May 24, 2019 13:54:37 GMT -6
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