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Post by janxol on May 19, 2019 7:04:04 GMT -6
I have a question about how armor works. In RTW1 it was getting lighter, but here it's supposed to get stronger. How can I check the exact armor value, how do I know how different my 1915 BB 14 in of armor compares to my 1920 BB 14 in of armor?
Basically I want to know how to caluclate how much armor I need, and how do the immunity zone calculator correspond to this. Does is take my 14 in armor, or "some" 14 in armor of different strength? I didn't notice the values change with armor tech advances, only with AP advances.
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May 19, 2019 8:29:18 GMT -6
Post by deeznuts on May 19, 2019 8:29:18 GMT -6
When you get better armour the gun data will show lower penetration for the guns, representing that the armour is stronger for less thickness
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May 19, 2019 8:30:07 GMT -6
Post by deeznuts on May 19, 2019 8:30:07 GMT -6
It’s pretty apparent when you go from barely being able to stop any 16 inch shell even with 20 inches of armour to being able to stop it with a lot less armour
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May 19, 2019 9:23:53 GMT -6
Post by yemo on May 19, 2019 9:23:53 GMT -6
I have a question about how armor works. In RTW1 it was getting lighter, but here it's supposed to get stronger. How can I check the exact armor value, how do I know how different my 1915 BB 14 in of armor compares to my 1920 BB 14 in of armor?
Basically I want to know how to caluclate how much armor I need, and how do the immunity zone calculator correspond to this. Does is take my 14 in armor, or "some" 14 in armor of different strength? I didn't notice the values change with armor tech advances, only with AP advances.
You cant compare armor from different times anymore.
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May 19, 2019 10:03:44 GMT -6
Post by namuras on May 19, 2019 10:03:44 GMT -6
When you get better armour the gun data will show lower penetration for the guns, representing that the armour is stronger for less thickness So better quality armor counteracts the increased penetration of better AP shells to an extend?
Because i have been baffeled by this aswell and it is kind of obscure. Obscure in the same way SAP works. Nothing i could find about it since my post in RtW1 forums could point me to anywhere how much penetration could be roughly expected from it.
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May 19, 2019 11:28:57 GMT -6
Post by abclark on May 19, 2019 11:28:57 GMT -6
Because i have been baffeled by this aswell and it is kind of obscure. Obscure in the same way SAP works. Nothing i could find about it since my post in RtW1 forums could point me to anywhere how much penetration could be roughly expected from it.
I've never seen that question directly answered before now, but here it is. TBH, this could easily be added to the manual. nws-online.proboards.com/thread/2138/sap?page=1&scrollTo=44333
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May 19, 2019 12:23:53 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 12:23:53 GMT -6
So if I put 14in of armour in the year 1915 to my BB, it will always be as effective as 14in of armour on my 1930 BB? Does the armour get better on already existing ship?
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May 19, 2019 12:43:20 GMT -6
Post by janxol on May 19, 2019 12:43:20 GMT -6
So if I put 14in of armour in the year 1915 to my BB, it will always be as effective as 14in of armour on my 1930 BB? Does the armour get better on already existing ship? The anwer to both would appear to be "no". But I would still like to know some maths behind this. How much do things improve? It would be nice to able to check armor of your old ships for comparison (it's effectiveness).
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May 19, 2019 13:02:02 GMT -6
Post by snwh on May 19, 2019 13:02:02 GMT -6
I've just been guestimating it so far. Its just so different that I'm still working it out. That being said, You can check your penetration values in combat, and if that is against your own armor, that should give you an ok idea of what sort of hits you can take, with a given design from a given year.
I really like the potential for slightly better armored CL's tho, since better armor instead of lighter armor, means you can actually have them be... well... still tin cans, just less of tin cans. Theoretically
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May 19, 2019 16:14:04 GMT -6
Post by dorn on May 19, 2019 16:14:04 GMT -6
What about armour and dive bombing?
Did you have some game experience how it works?
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May 20, 2019 1:18:37 GMT -6
Post by christian on May 20, 2019 1:18:37 GMT -6
What about armour and dive bombing? Did you have some game experience how it works? in general 1500 lbs ap bombs will penetrate a 2-3 inch deck but thicker usually stops the bomb guns not being ap bombs will not penetrate into the vitals
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May 20, 2019 2:38:48 GMT -6
Post by tbr on May 20, 2019 2:38:48 GMT -6
Checking the design save files I see no difference between displayed vs. saved armor value for a legacy build vs. a 1930 design. If there is to be a "quality" difference it is tied to the ship's original build year. While looking for penetration differences is difficult there is the "aging structure" effect in the game logs which might use the same age to quality mechanism.
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May 20, 2019 4:40:29 GMT -6
Post by christian on May 20, 2019 4:40:29 GMT -6
Checking the design save files I see no difference between displayed vs. saved armor value for a legacy build vs. a 1930 design. If there is to be a "quality" difference it is tied to the ship's original build year. While looking for penetration differences is difficult there is the "aging structure" effect in the game logs which might use the same age to quality mechanism. no idea but if you click on the armor research tab the armor gets both lighter and more effective and having played with files armor does get both better and lighter
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May 20, 2019 5:40:23 GMT -6
Post by dorn on May 20, 2019 5:40:23 GMT -6
I think it is this value in design file.
ArmorMod=13
I have started in 1920 and this is value for my first capital ship.
My most modern ship in construction in 1929 has this value 18.
If you start in 1920, your legacy fleet has value 0.
My legacy fleet cruiser from 1920 start has this value 12 even if is build in 1904. Probably bug, I will report this.
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May 20, 2019 6:50:18 GMT -6
Post by janxol on May 20, 2019 6:50:18 GMT -6
But what does this value mean? Is it a ratio? A percent? It's definitely not in the manual.
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