Design board rejecting CV conversion

[thesovietonion]

I'm running into an issue where the design board will not green light me to convert a first-gen BB into my first CV, because it needs at least eight 8in guns. This seems like a bit of a problem for an effective carrier, as I'm struggling to make it a worthwhile conversion over my existing CVLs anyway. 

Bug? User error?

Here's a screengrab: gyazo.com/2770301135e5bba8ce8724499f129ae9

[elouda]

Just throw some 8in casemates onto it, you can get rid of them in a refit later.

[Antediluvian Monster]

From the manual:

The first CV (not CVL) built by a nation
must be equipped with at least eight 8"
guns or larger. Purpose built carriers
must have a flat deck on top of belt
armor scheme.

[griffin01]

Check the manual. Your first conversion must have those guns, the latter ones don't. Just bite the bullet.

[thesovietonion]

Ah, so user error. Thanks!

[aeson]

May 19, 2019 14:56:14 GMT -6 thesovietonion said:

I'm running into an issue where the design board will not green light me to convert a first-gen BB into my first CV, because it needs at least eight 8in guns. This seems like a bit of a problem for an effective carrier, as I'm struggling to make it a worthwhile conversion over my existing CVLs anyway. 

Bug? User error?

Here's a screengrab: gyazo.com/2770301135e5bba8ce8724499f129ae9

I believe this is working as intended, to reflect that the designers weren't quite certain what to do with the early carriers and so tended to give them cruiser-grade armament - Lexington and Saratoga both had eight 8" guns in four twin turrets as completed and retained them into the Second World War, Akagi and Kaga had six 200mm guns in casemates and four 200mm guns in two turrets on top of the mid-level flight deck and retained the casemated guns after the mid-'30s modernizations that gave them the more familiar full-length flight deck. Even the (relatively) small Eagle carried nine 6" guns and the tiny Hermes and Hosho carried six and four 5.5" guns for use against surface targets.

[ramjb]

It's one of those little quirks of the game that forces you to remain within historical parameters and I tend to love...

but honestly I think this one is a bit overdone. Lex and Sara were huge ships, so were Kaga and Akagi. Understandably the high brass of their time didn't want 30000 ton ships going to the sea with nothing heavier than an antiaircraft gun (besides it was believed at the time that flattops would inevitably get tangled in scouting surface battles so those guns made sense from their point of view)...

but if your design is much smaller, the weapon demands should still exist, but be scaled down accordingly. Demanding that your 19000 ton brand new but not that big fleet carrier has 8x8'' is a tad...over the top, methinks .

[abclark]

That’s a good idea. Displacement bands that each have a specified gun armament would make it much better. As was mentioned above, the tiny early carriers had 6” or 5.5” guns instead.

[thesovietonion]

Yes, I've had floatplane recon doctrine checked.

[warlock]

I agree on the gun size on your first CV. If your building a relatively tiny CV for your first one, it would be nice that the requirement moved down to 6 in or less. On the other hand, I just built it with 8in gun and then rebuilt it the second I could use 4 inch DP guns. I used the weight savings to add more Aircraft and turned it into a very good smallish fleet carrier that I am still using in 1953.

[Fredrik W]

May 19, 2019 15:35:06 GMT -6 aeson said:

May 19, 2019 14:56:14 GMT -6 thesovietonion said:

I'm running into an issue where the design board will not green light me to convert a first-gen BB into my first CV, because it needs at least eight 8in guns. This seems like a bit of a problem for an effective carrier, as I'm struggling to make it a worthwhile conversion over my existing CVLs anyway. 

Bug? User error?

Here's a screengrab: gyazo.com/2770301135e5bba8ce8724499f129ae9

I believe this is working as intended, to reflect that the designers weren't quite certain what to do with the early carriers and so tended to give them cruiser-grade armament - Lexington and Saratoga both had eight 8" guns in four twin turrets as completed and retained them into the Second World War, Akagi and Kaga had six 200mm guns in casemates and four 200mm guns in two turrets on top of the mid-level flight deck and retained the casemated guns after the mid-'30s modernizations that gave them the more familiar full-length flight deck. Even the (relatively) small Eagle carried nine 6" guns and the tiny Hermes and Hosho carried six and four 5.5" guns for use against surface targets.

This is correct, that is the intention in the game. It is interesting to note that this thinking persisted late for first carrier nations. The Germans had a 6 in surface gun battery planned for the Graf Zeppelin, and even the Soviets put a hefty battery of anti ship missiles on the Kuznetsov Class carriers as late as the 1980s.