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Post by janxol on May 20, 2019 13:46:56 GMT -6
I'm playing as USA, the year is 1938. I still have no access to catapults both on on carriers and other ships, despite having all plane-related research set to high. I am mass-producing 34000+ ton carrier, but cannot put a scoutplane on cruisers. Is that a bug, or really ridiciulous RNG?
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Post by JagdFlanker on May 20, 2019 14:25:31 GMT -6
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Post by Procopius on May 20, 2019 14:26:21 GMT -6
I'm playing as USA, the year is 1938. I still have no access to catapults both on on carriers and other ships, despite having all plane-related research set to high. I am mass-producing 34000+ ton carrier, but cannot put a scoutplane on cruisers. Is that a bug, or really ridiciulous RNG? I didn't get them until the mid-1940s in my UK game. |
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Post by warlock on May 20, 2019 15:03:41 GMT -6
Could be worse. I didn't get TBs until 1930. Which ironically was something like 2 years after I purchased a TB from the USA whom I have a security agreement with. Not sure how I was able to use TBs when I couldn't actually develop them due to not knowing the role for this type of Airplane.
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Post by Blothorn on May 20, 2019 15:28:18 GMT -6
In the mid-game, I think "not knowing the role" means"your aircraft companies are aware of the possibility but their attempts at designing one keep failing".
That said, I do think it stretches plausibility for it to be so binary--you go straight from no one being able to build them to having a competitive market for them.
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Post by aeson on May 20, 2019 15:29:11 GMT -6
Could be worse. I didn't get TBs until 1930. Which ironically was something like 2 years after I purchased a TB from the USA whom I have a security agreement with. Not sure how I was able to use TBs when I couldn't actually develop them due to not knowing the role for this type of Airplane. Just because your domestic aviation industry was incapable of producing torpedo bombers doesn't mean that your naval tacticians were equally incapable of developing ways to use them. |
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Post by alexbrunius on May 20, 2019 16:05:21 GMT -6
I'm in 1930 and I also lack capability of airplane catapults, having had "high" research priority on everything aviation related and been able to build fleet Carriers for a few years.
It feels quite wrong and odd. The normal path of progress that all nations followed should be Crane lowered floatplane -> Catapult launched floatplane -> CVL -> CV shouldn't it?
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Post by akosjaccik on May 20, 2019 16:15:53 GMT -6
Had the same issue in my game, and for this effect I never really got to utilize floatplanes. Maybe an idea would be separating the tech into standard-, and deck catapult categories?
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Post by Blothorn on May 20, 2019 16:53:17 GMT -6
Of curiosity, do people with really late catapult development have varied techs turned on? If so I think it is just doing its job--breaking historical progression so you can't plan around expectations of future developments.
Historically, I think CVs and catapult-launched floatplanes were roughly concurrent--the order of historical firsts runs wheeled takeoff, then catapult launch, then wheeled landing, but I think neither catapults nor carriers were properly operational until ~1920.
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Post by elouda on May 20, 2019 17:27:46 GMT -6
Had the same issue in my game, and for this effect I never really got to utilize floatplanes. Maybe an idea would be separating the tech into standard-, and deck catapult categories? Floatplane and Flight Deck catapults are already two seperate techs. One is ~1923, the other ~1936 IIRC. |
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Post by akosjaccik on May 20, 2019 23:01:46 GMT -6
Had the same issue in my game, and for this effect I never really got to utilize floatplanes. Maybe an idea would be separating the tech into standard-, and deck catapult categories? Floatplane and Flight Deck catapults are already two seperate techs. One is ~1923, the other ~1936 IIRC. My bad. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 20, 2019 23:17:44 GMT -6
Of curiosity, do people with really late catapult development have varied techs turned on? If so I think it is just doing its job--breaking historical progression so you can't plan around expectations of future developments. Historically, I think CVs and catapult-launched floatplanes were roughly concurrent--the order of historical firsts runs wheeled takeoff, then catapult launch, then wheeled landing, but I think neither catapults nor carriers were properly operational until ~1920. Float-plane catapults use a piston propelled by a 5-inch 55 caliber powder charge, they were devised long before the hydraulic or steam catapults were developed. The first gunpowder catapult was tested in 1923 aboard the USS Mississippi. The first use of catapult was in 1903 by Samuel Langley and it was spring-operated. Hydraulic catapults were used during WW2 but afterward, steam was used based on the Royal Navy development. So, carrier catapults and float-plane catapults were not concurrent. The float-plane catapult using gunpowder came first, the hydraulic catapult later. In 1934, BuAer made the decision to install hydraulic catapults on the Yorktown's. It was a Type H Mark 1 catapult. It was manufactured by the NAF in Philly. |
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Post by Blothorn on May 21, 2019 9:50:25 GMT -6
Of curiosity, do people with really late catapult development have varied techs turned on? If so I think it is just doing its job--breaking historical progression so you can't plan around expectations of future developments. Historically, I think CVs and catapult-launched floatplanes were roughly concurrent--the order of historical firsts runs wheeled takeoff, then catapult launch, then wheeled landing, but I think neither catapults nor carriers were properly operational until ~1920. Float-plane catapults use a piston propelled by a 5-inch 55 caliber powder charge, they were devised long before the hydraulic or steam catapults were developed. The first gunpowder catapult was tested in 1923 aboard the USS Mississippi. The first use of catapult was in 1903 by Samuel Langley and it was spring-operated. Hydraulic catapults were used during WW2 but afterward, steam was used based on the Royal Navy development. So, carrier catapults and float-plane catapults were not concurrent. The float-plane catapult using gunpowder came first, the hydraulic catapult later. In 1934, BuAer made the decision to install hydraulic catapults on the Yorktown's. It was a Type H Mark 1 catapult. It was manufactured by the NAF in Philly. By "CVs" I was referring to deck launch and recovery of wheeled planes, not carrier catapults. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 21, 2019 10:48:14 GMT -6
Float-plane catapults use a piston propelled by a 5-inch 55 caliber powder charge, they were devised long before the hydraulic or steam catapults were developed. The first gunpowder catapult was tested in 1923 aboard the USS Mississippi. The first use of catapult was in 1903 by Samuel Langley and it was spring-operated. Hydraulic catapults were used during WW2 but afterward, steam was used based on the Royal Navy development. So, carrier catapults and float-plane catapults were not concurrent. The float-plane catapult using gunpowder came first, the hydraulic catapult later. In 1934, BuAer made the decision to install hydraulic catapults on the Yorktown's. It was a Type H Mark 1 catapult. It was manufactured by the NAF in Philly. By "CVs" I was referring to deck launch and recovery of wheeled planes, not carrier catapults. We are talking about the hydraulic catapults for launching aircraft not the hangar catapults, correct. I was talking about the three kinds of deck launch catapults at the bow used to launch aircraft, later in the war due to heavier bombloads and fuel tanks. |
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