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Post by gurudennis on Dec 6, 2021 16:49:09 GMT -6
We do still intend to publish the RTW2 Expansion, but sadly with Chris Deans' passing things might be delayed a bit as we re-organize...but my intent, and Fredrik's (the developer of the RTW series) as well, is to get it published as soon as it is ready to go. Thanks. My condolences to all who knew Christopher Dean. From all I have heard, without him RTW(2) might not have seen the light of day, at least not as soon as it did. Given the complexity of store operation without Chris' expertise and the legal complications that his passing appears to have brought about, 1) would alternative delivery front-ends be considered in general, and 2) Steam in particular?
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Post by kagami777 on Dec 6, 2021 22:18:40 GMT -6
Frankly the speeds in the game are too low as it is, compared to historical vessels. While I understand its an engine limitation, I would love to see it reworked, to get faster destroyers and cruisers around WWII era and forward. there's a speed mod if you'r interested I have that mod, but it still caps at 40 knots. Cant even come close to the 50+ that the Nimitz can do.
edit: I have come to the conclusion that the Nimitz hitting 40+ is likely impossible after seeing comments on here and doing some of my own research.
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Post by zederfflinger on Dec 6, 2021 23:31:49 GMT -6
You are of the belief that it can do 50+ knots? That's quite something! I know that people are of differing opinions on what their actual top speed is, but over 50 knots is a little hard for me to swallow.
40-45 is still pretty crazy, but more believable.
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Post by sperril on Dec 7, 2021 2:05:32 GMT -6
there's a speed mod if you'r interested I have that mod, but it still caps at 40 knots. Cant even come close to the 50+ that the Nimitz can do. Just based on it's hull shape, and simple math, Nimitz can't possibly do over 43 knots. At least, not with it's hull in the water. So unless it's hiding wings for WIG operation or a hydrofoil somewhere...
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Post by umbaretz on Dec 7, 2021 3:39:21 GMT -6
I have that mod, but it still caps at 40 knots. Cant even come close to the 50+ that the Nimitz can do. Just based on it's hull shape, and simple math, Nimitz can't possibly do over 43 knots. At least, not with it's hull in the water. So unless it's hiding wings for WIG operation or a hydrofoil somewhere... If you weld all planes to her hull and turn on aterburners, maybe 45?
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Post by dohboy on Dec 7, 2021 10:23:15 GMT -6
From what I've heard US CVNs could go a lot faster than any sane captain would ever push them. Going into the high 30s would risk severe engineering casualty to a 10 billion dollar strategic asset, and would outrun the escorts. How fast they could theoretically go is an interesting trivia question, otherwise irrelevant.
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Post by sperril on Dec 7, 2021 21:28:03 GMT -6
Just based on it's hull shape, and simple math, Nimitz can't possibly do over 43 knots. At least, not with it's hull in the water. So unless it's hiding wings for WIG operation or a hydrofoil somewhere... If you weld all planes to her hull and turn on aterburners, maybe 45? It's not a question of power. Nimitz certainly generates enough power to reach 50 knots if we ignore water physics. The problem is that based on the length of her hull, we can calculate the location of the bow wave. If she goes faster than 43, she won't actually be crossing more water. She'll simply be riding her way to the top of her own bow wave. In effect, she'll be gaining altitude, not speed. Her hull will need to be out of the water to go faster. It's possible to overrun your bow wave. That's why speed boats skip along the water. But Nimitz would have to literally skip out of the water periodically to reach 43. It would probably kick up a pretty impressive rooster-tail. In any event, I have an insider source, a co-worker, who actually worked the helm of a Nimitz. (CVN-74 Stennis.) He's told me he's heard a lot of stories, but they aren't true. First off, the person issuing the speed instructions asks for a specific speed, but the helm actually inputs the required RPM to achieve that speed. They do this based on a chart that shows what RPM will create that speed. He told me that the maximum speed that can be ordered is on the chart, so he knows how fast the ship can go. He said, on a glassy sea, they could exceed 30 knots. But, the maximum speed isn't close to 40. He also told me he saw the chart on CVN-65 Enterprise. He acknowledged that Enterprise could go faster than Stennis. But he said it was also well short of 40 knots. He said that if they were in a real hurry to get somewhere, they would normally travel at around 25 knots. But anything more than that was extremely rare. I was an Air Force guy. It's probably similar to the maximum speed of fighter aircraft. Can an F-15 reach mach 2.5? Sure. If it's at a very high altitude, carrying no weapons whatsoever, and is low on fuel. Is that number a useful description of anything that happens in the real world? No.
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Post by dorn on Dec 8, 2021 0:48:09 GMT -6
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Post by kagami777 on Dec 8, 2021 3:40:51 GMT -6
I have that mod, but it still caps at 40 knots. Cant even come close to the 50+ that the Nimitz can do. Just based on it's hull shape, and simple math, Nimitz can't possibly do over 43 knots. At least, not with it's hull in the water. So unless it's hiding wings for WIG operation or a hydrofoil somewhere... Yeah, those things can outpace our destroyers if they get going and they max out at over 30 knots. The Nimitz herself may be slower but her sisterships are able to break 50 knots according to the Bosun-mates I have talked to who served on them. Although from what I have heard on here that may have just been them blowing smoke out of their buts.
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Post by kagami777 on Dec 8, 2021 3:46:34 GMT -6
From what I've heard US CVNs could go a lot faster than any sane captain would ever push them. Going into the high 30s would risk severe engineering casualty to a 10 billion dollar strategic asset, and would outrun the escorts. How fast they could theoretically go is an interesting trivia question, otherwise irrelevant. Every ship in the USN has hit its max speed if its certified to GO to sea. Its part of the ships Certs to go out to sea so that they can undergo training and qualification to deploy. Its also called a shakedown, usually done after working on the engines, shafts, or ship as a whole. You slowly build up to max speed, which you then hold for at least 15 minutes, before slowing back down. They have hit their max speed before, yes it can outrun escort ships, the Iowa class battleships could do that. According to bosun-mates I talked to who served on CVN's they can at least hit 50 knots, that seems more and more like a bunch of smoke from what I have read on here, but I never served on one of the things. And its not irrelevant if you are trying to make yourself hard to shoot or otherwise get the heck out of dodge.
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Post by kagami777 on Dec 8, 2021 4:00:09 GMT -6
If you weld all planes to her hull and turn on aterburners, maybe 45? It's not a question of power. Nimitz certainly generates enough power to reach 50 knots if we ignore water physics. The problem is that based on the length of her hull, we can calculate the location of the bow wave. If she goes faster than 43, she won't actually be crossing more water. She'll simply be riding her way to the top of her own bow wave. In effect, she'll be gaining altitude, not speed. Her hull will need to be out of the water to go faster. It's possible to overrun your bow wave. That's why speed boats skip along the water. But Nimitz would have to literally skip out of the water periodically to reach 43. It would probably kick up a pretty impressive rooster-tail. In any event, I have an insider source, a co-worker, who actually worked the helm of a Nimitz. (CVN-74 Stennis.) He's told me he's heard a lot of stories, but they aren't true. First off, the person issuing the speed instructions asks for a specific speed, but the helm actually inputs the required RPM to achieve that speed. They do this based on a chart that shows what RPM will create that speed. He told me that the maximum speed that can be ordered is on the chart, so he knows how fast the ship can go. He said, on a glassy sea, they could exceed 30 knots. But, the maximum speed isn't close to 40. He also told me he saw the chart on CVN-65 Enterprise. He acknowledged that Enterprise could go faster than Stennis. But he said it was also well short of 40 knots. He said that if they were in a real hurry to get somewhere, they would normally travel at around 25 knots. But anything more than that was extremely rare. I was an Air Force guy. It's probably similar to the maximum speed of fighter aircraft. Can an F-15 reach mach 2.5? Sure. If it's at a very high altitude, carrying no weapons whatsoever, and is low on fuel. Is that number a useful description of anything that happens in the real world? No. Your guy may be right, seeming more and more likely. Much of the rumors about the CVN speed COME from the people who were helmsmen on them. more than one had told me that CVN could break 40 knots and some could hit 50. Also, yes, generally ships in a hurry do around 20-25 knots, those are high standard speeds. If the ship needs to be somewhere yesterday or is in combat then they might do Flank, but not often and not willingly because that strains the engines. Was your guy a bosun-mate or a PACT-seaman?
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Post by kagami777 on Dec 8, 2021 4:03:22 GMT -6
You are of the belief that it can do 50+ knots? That's quite something! I know that people are of differing opinions on what their actual top speed is, but over 50 knots is a little hard for me to swallow. 40-45 is still pretty crazy, but more believable. That is a result of what bosun-mates who served on them had told me of the ships. It seems less and less likely now that I have looked into it, partially because so many people on here said it was crazy. I know they can outrun their escorts if need be, but now I would be surprised if they could even hit 40 knots.
It would still be nice to get ships like the Freedom that have a max speed of 47 knots, even though they are just Corvettes, the max speed of corvettes in game is an issue in and of itself, they should be able to go much faster if you want a super fast super light ship. Though you can do that easy with the destroyer class so I suppose it doesn't really matter for much other than using the corvette names.
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Post by Adseria on Dec 8, 2021 7:43:18 GMT -6
Maybe she could hit 50kn if we fill her with helium, so she sits higher in the water?
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Post by 12345465 on Dec 10, 2021 10:13:02 GMT -6
About the 50kn rumour.
We have a saying in the Royal Navy, 'don't let the truth get in the way of a good dit'.
I'd assume the US navy would be the same.
Never believe what a matelot tells you lol
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Post by tbr on Dec 10, 2021 10:16:51 GMT -6
She could do 50kn in a World of Warships "space week"...
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