v1.24 No discount for new design when re-using same name

[mobeer]

In version 1.24, making a slight change to an existing ship class gives no discount on design time when the name is reused:

Design a new battlecruiser class "X"

Save design and start design study

Advance 4 turns until study complete

When prompted to build ships take no action

Open ship designer, marginally tweak or make no changes and save design

> Prompt to start design study does not give any discount, says this study will take 4 months

[liam556]

I've had this happen in v1.25 as well.

[Fredrik W]

This is not really a bug. You get the discount when a design study is finished and you elect to modify it or when you pull up an existing design and modify it. You do not get a discount if you open a saved design. The game has no way of knowing how old or relevant it is.

[nimrod]

I understand that I am butting in on this, but I would appreciate some additional clarity on the subject as I'm heavily confused. I'm probably just dense.

If I'm way out of line here please let me know, I admit I'm not the best with forum etiquette.

Fredrick W,

I'm not seeing how "The game has no way of knowing how old or relevant it is." is relevant...

The reported "bug" is either due to the inconsistency of the interfaces or it is intentional that built ship designs get a discount while unbuilt ship designs don't? If it is intentional could or would you please explain the reasoning behind it? From your above response it seems to be a coding issue, but I'm not sure how deeply to read into your prior response...

Being respectful, and noting where I'm operating from memory, I wrote the above as:
1. I can on the Active or Building Ship tabs, right click on a ship design and Open the Ship Design - when I do so I get a massive discount.

Even if its 1945 and I'm editing the design of my last 6000 ton CL design from 1900 - the game doesn't know how old or relevant the existing ship is nor its design - but I get a discount on modifying the design. While there are a few limitations to getting the discount, I find that I can switch from coal to oil or diesel and still get a hefty discount, I can change secondary battery at will and still get the discount, etc.

2. (I would like to double check this, but I'm going to go from memory here so i could be mistaken) If I open a saved ship design through the ship designer interface - I get no massive discount. Again it doesn't matter on the age or relevancy of the design, or even if any ships have been built. If all I want to do is refresh a design to make use of the most modern armor or damage control techs (such that no actual ship specs change), I have to do a whole new design study.

So to repeat the earlier question a little differently, why does accessing the same ship design file through different interfaces give drastically different results?

Edited to add - a workaround is suggested by janxol at: nws-online.proboards.com/post/78484
Usually though I seem to get charged for the laying down of a ship and scrapping immediately (it isn't zero cost); but it will get the design edit done in a much shorter time period and the ship lay-down charge can be worth it on smaller / medium size ships.

[Fredrik W]

You are not out of line, it's Ok that you ask. In short, the answer is, it was a design decision based on what was realistic and relevant weighed against coding effort.

[nimrod]

Jul 30, 2021 11:43:55 GMT -6 Fredrik W said:

You are not out of line, it's Ok that you ask. In short, the answer is, it was a design decision based on what was realistic and relevant weighed against coding effort.

Thank you for the response, I appreciate it!

My concern on being out of line was mostly on not letting the developer or a member of NWS Team have the final say on a subject. I'm writing in your house and on your product;  I was brought-up that when some-one-like that speaks it should be the final word.

Thank you again.