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Post by hawkeye on Aug 26, 2021 3:30:40 GMT -6
Title says it all, essentially. This BC of mine got hit a few times, sure, but as far as the log tells me, there was only a single penetrating hit and that was on the superstructure. Now, last time I checked, a hole in the superstructure does _not_ let in seawater, so where does this flooding come from? Save file attached, just in case this is declared a bug. Game1.7z (398.62 KB)  |
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Post by dorn on Aug 26, 2021 6:33:23 GMT -6
Title says it all, essentially. This BC of mine got hit a few times, sure, but as far as the log tells me, there was only a single penetrating hit and that was on the superstructure. Now, last time I checked, a hole in the superstructure does _not_ let in seawater, so where does this flooding come from? Save file attached, just in case this is declared a bug. View AttachmentView AttachmentIt is quite clear, lower belt edge hit. This type of hits are quite dangerous as shell explosion partially bypass armour |
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Post by mobeer on Aug 26, 2021 8:37:05 GMT -6
Title says it all, essentially. This BC of mine got hit a few times, sure, but as far as the log tells me, there was only a single penetrating hit and that was on the superstructure. Now, last time I checked, a hole in the superstructure does _not_ let in seawater, so where does this flooding come from? Save file attached, just in case this is declared a bug. View AttachmentView AttachmentIt is quite clear, lower belt edge hit. This type of hits are quite dangerous as shell explosion partially bypass armour
Not clear - there is no * so it looks as if the shell hit the lower belt and failed to penetrate.
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Post by dorn on Aug 26, 2021 8:51:14 GMT -6
It is quite clear, lower belt edge hit. This type of hits are quite dangerous as shell explosion partially bypass armour
Not clear - there is no * so it looks as if the shell hit the lower belt and failed to penetrate.
If you hit edge of belt even if you do not penetrate belt, explosion itself can get through unarmoured part (it is edge of belt) thus making flooding, not to mention that it can displace armour belt causing flooding etc. |
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Post by hawkeye on Aug 26, 2021 10:57:11 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification.
May I suggest to add that * to the log message anyway?
I mean, if there is a hole created in the hull and the ship is taking on water like crazy, it sure would be nice if someone told the Captain (i.e. me)
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Post by nimrod on Aug 26, 2021 14:38:30 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification. May I suggest to add that * to the log message anyway? I mean, if there is a hole created in the hull and the ship is taking on water like crazy, it sure would be nice if someone told the Captain (i.e. me) 2nd.
Actually, if possible I would suggest adding another symbol - ^ - to indicate flooding or fire damage arising from the hit. That way we don't lose the * for shell penetration diagnostics.
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Post by gurudennis on Aug 26, 2021 18:14:49 GMT -6
Which edge could this be in reference to (fore/aft/top/bottom)?
I'm having trouble internalizing so much flooding from just one belt edge hit.
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Post by wlbjork on Aug 27, 2021 11:04:21 GMT -6
Which edge could this be in reference to (fore/aft/top/bottom)? I'm having trouble internalizing so much flooding from just one belt edge hit. Lower, so I'd interpret that as meaning closer to the keel, just below the waterline. |
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Post by gurudennis on Aug 27, 2021 12:32:39 GMT -6
Which edge could this be in reference to (fore/aft/top/bottom)? I'm having trouble internalizing so much flooding from just one belt edge hit. Lower, so I'd interpret that as meaning closer to the keel, just below the waterline. Diving shells, huh. I forget if there was a specific tech to represent them in the game. In any case, these types of hits below the armored belt should be very uncommon. The reason being, nearly every single capital ship built by a major power in the period that is covered by RTW2 has either come out overweight or became overweight due to retrofits over time. Overweight ships naturally settle lower, so much so that actually in many cases the belt became almost useless because most of it was submerged. Under such circumstances, shells exploding below the extent of the belt is nearly unheard of. Of course, the interwar diving shell scare was real, and most WWII-period construction included deeper belts, just to be safe. |
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Post by wlbjork on Aug 27, 2021 23:35:38 GMT -6
A sharp turn at speed will cause the ship to heel and bring the lower edge of the belt to the surface, if not completely out of the water.
Other than that, they are incredibly rare - they certainly don't happen with any degree of frequency that I can recall.
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