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Post by scaffold on Dec 17, 2021 3:45:59 GMT -6
Hello everyone! Since I am still a noob, please be patient because my question might seem a bit stupid.  The question is: what is the purpose of neutral possession in the game? Am I supposed to be able to take them somehow? If so, then how? For example, I would absolutely love to re-take the Baltic states that took an opportunity to defect from Mother Russia.  |
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Post by hawkeye on Dec 17, 2021 4:55:34 GMT -6
Similar to how the Baltics rose up and declared independence, any neutral country can be taken over by, well, pretty much anyone via two other events.
Once in a while, you'll get an event pop up that country X is intervening in a civil war in order to restore peace and order BUT that they probably have further ambitions.
The other event is that country X has staged a pro country X coup.
Note: If the event asks you if you want to intervene to prevent country X from annexing the neutral, don't.
You can't invade neutral countries, so if you let country X take the neutral, you can later on take it from them. If you intervene and they don't take it, it'll stay neutral and out of reach for you.
Oh, I forgot one event where you are asked if you want to stage a coup or want to intervene.
This has the risk of failing, raising tensions without any benefit (well, besides raising tensions) and I think (not sure) that it is influenced by how much or your fleet is active (all in reserve meaning: Not a chance in hell) and distance from your home waters or where your fleet is stationed may also play a role.
I don't think I have ever seen an intervention/coup conducted by nation X fail if I said that I didn't care.
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Post by scaffold on Dec 17, 2021 5:11:17 GMT -6
So basically neutral possessions can be annexed only via strategic turn event?
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Post by tbr on Dec 17, 2021 6:10:23 GMT -6
There is also the "Blitzkrieg" option where some countries (both player and ai) have pre-set target possessions they can occupy with 100% chance if the event fires, usually only for Fascist or communist government types though. But yes, wihtout a strategic event neutral possessions cannot be occupier right now.
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Post by nimrod on Dec 17, 2021 11:25:32 GMT -6
So basically neutral possessions can be annexed only via strategic turn event? Short answer is - yes.
Long answer is that there are several random strategic turn events that may allow you to take it (intervention, blitz); but their is nothing you can actively do (other than editing the map file) to gain a neutral territory.
This is to represent the limited foreign policy clout that the navy has - i.e. you can't unilaterally declare war or seize territory outside of war. Taking territory basically involves - invasions (war with a represented nation) / blitz event (which represents a "high intensity" war with a non-represented nation and pretty often results in war with a represented nation due to large increase in tensions) / intervention (which represents a "low intensity" war with a non-represented nation and usually just raises tensions a point or two if successful).
Edited to add a post regarding DIY map editing / neutral invasion at: nws-online.proboards.com/thread/2633/invasion-neutral-nations-declare-tensions. I'm personally not a fan of the neutral invasions, as I think it gives far too much clout to the head of the navy, but it could be fun to roleplay a little higher up in the chain of command or to help get a handle on a game by mitigating a bad event role in your case...
From the post with the role playing elements bolded - i.e. you don't need to do this for a simple map edit:
To edit:
1.) Save and exit your current game.
2.) Find your install directory for NWS and open it. Then open the Rule the Waves 2 folder. Now open your Save folder. Finally, open the GameX folder where the 'X' corresponds to the save game slot # of your campaign you want to edit.
3.) Copy all these files into a backup folder in case you make a mistake.
4.) Open MapDataX.dat using Notepad++ v7.6.2 or higher and click CTRL+F and type the name of the Colony you want to change ownership in the Find window and click 'Find Next'. When you find the name of the Colony you're invading, the line directly above that should say the owner is Neutral. Change 'Neutral' to your nation's name. Usually this would be Germany, Japan, Russia, Italy, USA, France, Great Britain, Spain, ROC, Austria Hungary, or could be Soviet Union. Does Austria Hungary use a hyphen? I don't know, look thru the .bcs file and find out. Make sure you spell it correctly and use proper capitalization. Save and exit the editor.
5.) Open RTWGameX.bcs and hit CTRL+F and type Name2 in the Find window and click 'Find Next'. This will find each entry for all the nations in the game. Scroll down 30 or so lines until you see the entry called Tension=X. Add the corresponding tension modifier to the number 'X'. If your modifier was 3 and the entry was Tension=4, you'd change this to Tension=7. Do this for all 6 nations in your game and proceed to step 6.)
6.) While editing RTWGameX.bcs, find [Nation0] and a few dozen lines underneath, find Prestige and subtract the desired amount or subtract the colony's value. Save and exit.
7.) Reload your game and you should now have a new colony and all the other nations should be ****ed off about it.
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Post by TheOtherPoster on Dec 18, 2021 8:11:12 GMT -6
Maybe it could be set up the possibility to invade neutral possessions when
1. We are at war
2. Of course, it is under our invasion range and
3. The neutral possesion is in the same area as an enemy possesion is.
The idea is that we may may want to invade a neutral territory so to get closer to our enemy (like the invasion of Norway in 1940)
To simplify things we would imagine that that territory owner has not a fleet worth mentioning. So it would be the enemy fleet the one opposing our invasion, as if it was their own territory the one being invaded (again as it happened in Norway in 1940)
Maybe a bigger superiority than normal may be required for invading a neutral territory if the developers think it necessary.
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Post by scaffold on Dec 19, 2021 10:26:42 GMT -6
3.) Copy all these files into a backup folder in case you make a mistake.
Don't know how, but all GameX folders are empty. Odd, because I am able to save and then reload a game. |
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Post by nimrod on Dec 20, 2021 10:58:15 GMT -6
I don't really know how to help...
Make sure you are checking the Save Folders.
When you load a game, you normally will select which game to load - 1 slot = save folder 1, 6 slot = save folder 6. I'll see if I can get a screen shot up latter, just to make sure we are on the same page here...
If you are simply resuming a game, then make sure you manually save your game and retry the folders.
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Post by scaffold on Dec 20, 2021 12:13:54 GMT -6
I don't really know how to help... Make sure you are checking the Save Folders. When you load a game, you normally will select which game to load - 1 slot = save folder 1, 6 slot = save folder 6. I'll see if I can get a screen shot up latter, just to make sure we are on the same page here... If you are simply resuming a game, then make sure you manually save your game and retry the folders. I am quite surre I check the save folders. My only guess is that the game somehow saves them elsewhere... |
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Post by dorn on Dec 21, 2021 1:46:24 GMT -6
What system and where do you install the game.
Windows can move saves outside original place if installed into Program files folder.
Look into your profile folder if there is game saves.
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Post by scaffold on Dec 21, 2021 1:55:14 GMT -6
What system and where do you install the game. Windows can move saves outside original place if installed into Program files folder. Look into your profile folder if there is game saves. I use Windows 10 and it is installed into the Program files (I didn't change default path). I thought about profile folders, but haven't checked there yet. I shall try. UPDATE Well, found them in the AppData. At any rate, that was just out of curiousity. I am not going to mod any save files, that's not my cup of tea. |
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