Possible scenario speed bug?

[ck07]

IDK whether this qualifies as a bug, and if so whether a known bug.

In my current engagement, at a certain point I saved the game (regular save, not autosave). When I "continued," my two CAs (names = Scharnhorst, Gneisenau) both now showed a max. speed of 5 kts each instead of 31. AFAICT neither had suffered any damage at any time (implausible anyway for both to be reduced to exactly 5 kts).  No other ships are affected.

I reloaded from the autosave, 40-odd minutes earlier, and they were fine. But after running forward for a while they again were reduced to 5 kts max. speed, again with no evidence of  anything happening to them.

In the TRWGamex.sac file, both are shown with speed = 5 and ordered speed = 5, but I find no entry for max. speed. 


Apparently I cannot upload the .bcs and .sac files because they are > 1 MB each. IDK what the .sta files does, but I have attached it in case.

Here are what I imagine to be the relevant lines of the .sac file:

[Division23]

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Ship1Hits2=¤09 05:15 Main battery scores 1 hit on Installation 10

Ship1Hits3=¤09 05:16 Secondary battery scores 3 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits4=¤09 05:17 Secondary battery scores 3 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits5=¤09 05:18 Main battery scores 2 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits6=¤09 05:18 Secondary battery scores 2 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits7=¤09 05:19 Main battery scores 2 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits8=¤09 05:19 Secondary battery scores 2 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits9=¤09 05:20 Main battery scores 2 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits10=¤09 05:20 Secondary battery scores 3 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits11=¤09 05:21 Main battery scores 3 hits on Installation 10

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Ship1Hits15=¤09 05:23 Main battery scores 2 hits on Installation 10

Ship1Hits16=¤09 05:23 Secondary battery scores 1 hit on Installation 10

Here is what I suppose might be relevant from the .bcs file:

Ship309Id=7185

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Ship310RepairTime=0

Ship310Side=0

Ship310Course=0

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Ship310Active=0

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Ship310Deployed=0

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Ship310Maintenance=304

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Ship310Hurry=0

Ship310Status=0

Ship310Description=Guns: 12 x 8, 24 x 4

Ship310YearBuilt=1946

Ship310Speed=31

Ship310EnemySpeed=0

Ship310EnemyBelt=11

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Ship310Rebuild=0

Ship310LocationAreaName=North American East Coast

Ship310DestinationAreaName=XXX

Ship310OrderedAreaName=XXX

Thanks in advance to anyone who can tell me whether this is a bug, and also whether there is a workaround.

Attachments:

RTWGame1.sta (88.4 KB)

[ck07]

To make it stranger:

~75 minutes later in the scenario the same thing happened to all 4 ships of a DD division. None had suffered any damage.

~15 minutes after that it happened to a division of 3 CLs. One had some prior damage which had reduced its max. speed from 31 to 34; the others were undamaged.

No reloads during this periods. Could have been an autosave--I didn't notice.

FWIW, the three divisions to which this happened had all originally been part of the "Scouting Force" whose flagship was one of the CAs. It did not happen to the 4th division of that force, a DD division. 

[williammiller]

We would be happy to take a look at the save game: If you maximum compress the save game with 7-Zip ( www.7-zip.org/ ) it will almost always be small enough to be uploaded here - or, you can upload the save to any file-sharing or cloud service and simply post the link here.

[stingray]

If you open the .sac file in a text editor, say notepad++ and do a search for “Endurance=” (without the quotation marks) you will find the following lines;

Ship0OriginalEndurance=140000
Ship0CurrentEndurance=0

In this case, Ship0 refers to the Gneisenau


What this appears to be telling you is that you have run out of fuel. Hence the zero value for CurrentEndurance.

To confirm this, open the details screen for this ship, or any of your other ships that have been reduced to 5kt, and look at the lower right of the display, where it says Endurance. In the attached screen shot of a Japanese DD, it is telling me that the ship still has 90% of it’s Endurance remaining. You could think of this as having 90% of it’s fuel left, though in reality it isn’t quite as simple as this.

I suspect that in your case, this would show a figure of 0%, confirming that the ship is indeed out of fuel.


What may cause some confusion here is that IRL, whether on land or at sea, if you run out of fuel, your engine stops and your speed is reduced to zero. In RtW2 this doesn’t appear to happen. What appears to happen is that when you run out of fuel your speed is reduced to 5kt. So in effect giving a ship empty of fuel an unlimited range, but only at a speed of 5kt, which of course is totally unrealistic.

A much better solution to this IMHO would be to adopt one or both of the following:

1. Allow ships to be taken in tow by other friendly ships. Which did happen in reality.

2. Allow RAS (Replenishment at Sea). In other words, the ability to refuel at sea.

It would be nice to see either, or preferably both of the above incorporated into RtW3. Either, or both options could be added to the Fleet Tactics tech line, or a new research line created to accommodate them, called Fleet Support, or something similar. This could allow the development over time, to effectively tow larger and larger ships, and initially just to refuel but later totally replenish ships with shells, DC’s Torpedoes etc.

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[ck07]

Stingray,

Thanks. That's it.

I agree with you re the realism issue. It would also be awfully nice to get a notice that a ship is entirely out of fuel (or maybe I did and didn't attend because it was in the same color/font as for 50% and 20%?).

[xenontennessee]

Fuel consumption will increase markedly with higher speeds. You will get a warning when ships are at 50% and 20% fuel, and when they should return to port. Ships out of fuel are limited to 5 knots speed (it is 16 assumed they can burn remainders of coal and whatever is at hand, like the admiral’s battle plans, to get to port).Copied from SAI-Players Manual:D