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Post by blarglol on Oct 21, 2022 19:20:06 GMT -6
Is the only thing you can mount mines on prior to this tech coming up an AMC? For me it seems to appear in the mid-late 1910s, and I wish I could lay mines earlier with ships besides AMCs. I would be nice to have a dedicated minelaying surface force at the ready instead of being required to make it part of the AMC job, which you lose post-war anyway.
And you can't put them on KE's correct?
I don't understand why if we can make KEs (a general designation for several ship types), we can't have minelayer KEs. After all, we don't expect our ASW or minesweeping KEs to join a battle, though on occasion they get drawn in by circumstance.
I am not asking for active, battlefield mining (though that would be cool and could work in tandem with spotting floatplane carriers and whatnot), but humble surface minelayers. I guess the subs work just fine, since sub combat is abstracted anyway, but it just seems historically odd to not be able to make actual minelayers when many examples existed in this period of time.
It would make it easier facing a major power like Britain to coat the seas with mines and hopefully whittle down some of their battleline  |
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Post by JagdFlanker on Oct 22, 2022 4:55:51 GMT -6
all your shore batteries also create defensive minefields so that is how mines are deployed early game (other than AMCs) the ability to build mine-laying ships later on is the point where you are able to build 'offensive mine fields' - which i assume is based on historical reasons
personally i don't bother with specialized minelayers, i just slap mines on all my DDs/CLs when i get the tech and they seem to do a good job spreading mines around without extra effort on my part
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Post by arminpfano on Oct 22, 2022 6:40:23 GMT -6
It would make it easier facing a major power like Britain to coat the seas with mines and hopefully whittle down some of their battleline
You can solve this and similar problems easily by DDs. Some DD flotillas going all-in will wreck any battle line, esp. early game. I never use mines, it´s nicer to see the ships sinking ;-)
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Post by blarglol on Oct 22, 2022 8:50:02 GMT -6
all your shore batteries also create defensive minefields so that is how mines are deployed early game (other than AMCs) the ability to build mine-laying ships later on is the point where you are able to build 'offensive mine fields' - which i assume is based on historical reasons
personally i don't bother with specialized minelayers, i just slap mines on all my DDs/CLs when i get the tech and they seem to do a good job spreading mines around without extra effort on my part
It would make it easier facing a major power like Britain to coat the seas with mines and hopefully whittle down some of their battleline
You can solve this and similar problems easily by DDs. Some DD flotillas going all-in will wreck any battle line, esp. early game. I never use mines, it´s nicer to see the ships sinking ;-)
But mines were laid by ship, specialized ships, well within the start date of this game. I just find it odd to claim they can't be used due to "historical reasons." I tend to shy away from mounting on too many DDs or CLs to avoid catastrophic detonations in combat. I wish you could make specialized KE minelayers that would avoid combat like the ASW/minesweeper ones...I do use torps early game, it would just be nice to hamper their operations early on as well. After all, it was in the Russo-Japanese war where minelayers sank battelships.
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Post by cormallen on Oct 22, 2022 14:41:18 GMT -6
It's probably for game balance reasons but it's a shame the mine loads are so limited... Several navies built specialist minelayer cruisers that carried several hundreds. And I believe they tried massive rail systems on the, otherwise almost entirely useless, British "Light Battlecruisers" Spurious and/or Outrageous?
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Post by zederfflinger on Oct 22, 2022 19:07:34 GMT -6
It's probably for game balance reasons but it's a shame the mine loads are so limited... Several navies built specialist minelayer cruisers that carried several hundreds. And I believe they tried massive rail systems on the, otherwise almost entirely useless, British "Light Battlecruisers" Spurious and/or Outrageous? I didn't know that the British tried large mine rails on those ships. Neat idea. It would be nice to have minelaying play a larger role in wars, along with increasing the variety and importance of minelaying vessels. In Steam and Iron, you can have minelaying missions where one side is trying to lay mines in a certain area and their opponent is trying to stop them. I don't think that any of the battles generated in the current game really simulate this kind of action, which seems odd to me, seeing how it important it was in the time period these games cover. Also, having some more diversity in the ship types we need to build is never a bad thing in my mind. |
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Post by blarglol on Oct 22, 2022 22:12:36 GMT -6
I don't think that any of the battles generated in the current game really simulate this kind of action, which seems odd to me, seeing how it important it was in the time period these games cover. Also, having some more diversity in the ship types we need to build is never a bad thing in my mind. Exactly. I don't know how we can have passive minesweepers but not minelayers. The sweeper KEs rarely get drawn into any kind of fight unless they get hit unluckily on a coastal raid or something. |
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Post by cormallen on Oct 23, 2022 11:46:14 GMT -6
It's probably for game balance reasons but it's a shame the mine loads are so limited... Several navies built specialist minelayer cruisers that carried several hundreds. And I believe they tried massive rail systems on the, otherwise almost entirely useless, British "Light Battlecruisers" Spurious and/or Outrageous? I didn't know that the British tried large mine rails on those ships. Neat idea. It would be nice to have minelaying play a larger role in wars, along with increasing the variety and importance of minelaying vessels. In Steam and Iron, you can have minelaying missions where one side is trying to lay mines in a certain area and their opponent is trying to stop them. I don't think that any of the battles generated in the current game really simulate this kind of action, which seems odd to me, seeing how it important it was in the time period these games cover. Also, having some more diversity in the ship types we need to build is never a bad thing in my mind. Our would be nice to see "laying mines at point specified" be an alternative victory condition for coastal raiding... |
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Post by blarglol on Oct 23, 2022 16:52:33 GMT -6
I didn't know that the British tried large mine rails on those ships. Neat idea. It would be nice to have minelaying play a larger role in wars, along with increasing the variety and importance of minelaying vessels. In Steam and Iron, you can have minelaying missions where one side is trying to lay mines in a certain area and their opponent is trying to stop them. I don't think that any of the battles generated in the current game really simulate this kind of action, which seems odd to me, seeing how it important it was in the time period these games cover. Also, having some more diversity in the ship types we need to build is never a bad thing in my mind. Our would be nice to see "laying mines at point specified" be an alternative victory condition for coastal raiding... That would be very nice. Bombardment does get a bit stale sometimes. The mission generator could use some more variety. |
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