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Post by oldpop2000 on May 16, 2023 9:04:00 GMT -6
Somehow it is difficult to postpone the starting date of Chinese self-designed aircraft to mid-1950s all by editing the game files(zzz) Would be interesting to see a national trait for some minor regional powers to be incapable of domestically producing ships beyond KE/DD size until some trigger like defeating a major power. In the same vein like the US did to Spain and Japan to Russua I feel like my sarcasm end tag was not understood. If the goal is to make the Chinese navy perform in anything remotely resembling a historical way then the only way to do that is to simply remove them and revert their territory to neutral. Me personally, I prefer them as they are, completely a-historical and thus, playable. I would agree, as I said in my post, we can only do so much. We can leave it as it is designed or allow us to make simple changes to examine counterfactual historical events.
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Post by cheqtro on May 16, 2023 11:47:27 GMT -6
So, I decided to check the Data files of the game, and funnily enough there are no names for either the Aircraft manufacturers or the planes themselves in the ChinaShipsNames.dat file. I dont have time to check it right now, but it wouldnt surprise me if by adding some names you might get the ability to make your own planes as China, so you could try that for your next games, either in RTW2 or 3. Edit: Got time to test it, and voila, i am able to create my own planes: (Dont judge me to much because of the names, I am not very creative)
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 16, 2023 15:52:31 GMT -6
While in RTW2 China can never produce aircraft, in RTW3 they can have domestic aircraft at some point. I'm unsure about the initial conditions or year, but here's an intelligence report in a recent version on one of them. Hmm! Are you sure they did not buy the plans from Arado in Germany. That looks like an Arado Ar 234 Blitz. Top speed about 461 mph. First flew in July 1944. I like this one better. The Shenyang JJ-1. Designed in the early 1950's. And yes, it was armed with a 23mm cannon.
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Post by byro12345 on May 16, 2023 23:13:21 GMT -6
While in RTW2 China can never produce aircraft, in RTW3 they can have domestic aircraft at some point. I'm unsure about the initial conditions or year, but here's an intelligence report in a recent version on one of them. Hmm! Are you sure they did not buy the plans from Arado in Germany. That looks like an Arado Ar 234 Blitz. Top speed about 461 mph. First flew in July 1944. I like this one better. The Shenyang JJ-1. Designed in the early 1950's. And yes, it was armed with a 23mm cannon.
Wait did sea wolf actually say that? I don’t think he replied to this thread and I couldn’t see any recent posts
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 17, 2023 7:20:16 GMT -6
Hmm! Are you sure they did not buy the plans from Arado in Germany. That looks like an Arado Ar 234 Blitz. Top speed about 461 mph. First flew in July 1944. I like this one better. The Shenyang JJ-1. Designed in the early 1950's. And yes, it was armed with a 23mm cannon.
Wait did sea wolf actually say that? I don’t think he replied to this thread and I couldn’t see any recent posts I did not make that post up, mate. He posted what I answered to. He must have deleted it for some reason.
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Post by byro12345 on May 17, 2023 22:09:42 GMT -6
Wait did sea wolf actually say that? I don’t think he replied to this thread and I couldn’t see any recent posts I did not make that post up, mate. He posted what I answered to. He must have deleted it for some reason. Oh ok thanks
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Post by kingbenno on May 24, 2023 3:38:49 GMT -6
If you want to add an air industry to China edit the chinashipnames.dat in the data files and it has a section at the bottom [Aircraft Manufacturers] - [] Add some names to this and you should be able to build your own aircraft, at least that's how it worked in rtw2. I'll post the list I made for RTW2 below if you want to copy it, but you will have to add helicopter manufacturers too, just check out the other nations shipnames file for an idea on how to format that, I haven't done it for this game yet, only played about 60 hours so haven't got round to china yet. [Aircraft Manufacturers] CAMCO Hongdu Nanchang CAIC Shenyang [Aircraft names] C D E F H I J X Y Z
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Post by uruk on May 24, 2023 5:09:02 GMT -6
Some of the aircraft factories (pre-PRC): Naval Air Establishment Schoettler Canton Aircraft Works Hungjao Aero Factory Kwangsi Mechanical and Aircraft Factory Shiukwan Aircraft Factory
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Post by oldpop2000 on May 24, 2023 6:20:38 GMT -6
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Post by zulu354 on May 25, 2023 13:18:16 GMT -6
I'm not sure, if the option is available to lend lease planes (I didn't come that far in the game yet). If you have the money, you're able to either build ships abroad or increase your national dock size to build bigger ships. Maybe something like that for planes would be an option for the game. Either you buy planes from foreign countries and depend on contracts to get maintenance parts - so chose your opponents wisely, or you might get an event at a certain point, to lose some funding for the navy to build an air force with the ability to build your own planes - which also could result into a nice event chain where navy and air force are competing for the budget.
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Post by kingbenno on May 25, 2023 17:08:54 GMT -6
I'm not sure, if the option is available to lend lease planes (I didn't come that far in the game yet). If you have the money, you're able to either build ships abroad or increase your national dock size to build bigger ships. Maybe something like that for planes would be an option for the game. Either you buy planes from foreign countries and depend on contracts to get maintenance parts - so chose your opponents wisely, or you might get an event at a certain point, to lose some funding for the navy to build an air force with the ability to build your own planes - which also could result into a nice event chain where navy and air force are competing for the budget. You can only buy designs from allies too I believe
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Post by aeson on May 25, 2023 17:33:29 GMT -6
What advantage would there be to buying aircraft overseas instead of acquiring a license to produce a foreign aircraft domestically, as is already possible in the game?
I don't recall exactly what the rule is off the top of my head, but sufficiently weak/disadvantaged powers can acquire production licenses from anyone as long as they have reasonably good relations, not just from allies.
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Post by zulu354 on May 28, 2023 14:46:51 GMT -6
What advantage would there be to buying aircraft overseas instead of acquiring a license to produce a foreign aircraft domestically, as is already possible in the game?
As I didn't make it to airframes yet, I can't tell how the game works, but if you have an underdeveloped aiviation industries, or your industries are putting out aircrafts on its limits already, it could satisfy your needs, if you need a large quantum of them.
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