How to make it so i can use triple turrets?

[admthompson]

Hello, im having trouble getting triple turrets to work correctly, it keeps my hull is too narrow for triple turrets, i dont know how im supposed to get the hull to be wider

[admthompson]

this is what i mean by the hull being too narrow

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[admthompson]

HOW DO I WIDEN THIS HULL SO THAT IT WILL ACCEPT TRIPLE TURRETS? CAN WE PLEASE JUST ADD A BUTTON TO THE SHIP DESIGNER THAT SAYS TRIPLE TURRET HULL WIDTH SO I CAN USE THESE TRIPLE TURRETS I DONT UNDERSTAND

[admthompson]

THE US WAS BUILDING TRIPLE TURRET BATTLESHIPS 3 YEARS BEFORE MY INGAME DATE ON HULLS SMALLER THAN THIS HULL IM TRYING TO BUILD WHAT AM I MISSING?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada-class_battleship

[cwemyss]

I'm guessing this was meant to simulate the situation that forced at least one class of US Treaty cruiser to have a Triple-over-Double arrangement, where A was double and B was triple. There just wasn't enough hull width that far forward to allow all the below-decks business associated with the wider triple mount.

As to a "button"... you have two. It's either the speed selector or the Torpedo Protection System selector. Faster ship = narrower hull, and an effective TPS eats up a bunch of width.

[metesky]

rtw3 is riffing off the early (1916) Lexington BC design, which had 10x14" guns with the triples in B and X and twins in A and Y (the superposed turrets), b/c the hull was very fine with ends too narrow for triples. Fast ships need fine ends, but you still need enough ship under the turret to float it, otherwise the hull is overstressed. The Pensacola class of heavy cruisers had the same arrangement with 10 x 8 inch guns, for the same reason. If you want the triples in A and Y, slow the ship down a knot at a time until the game lets you put 'em there. If you want the speed, move the triples in to B and X. Or try dropping a gun and go to three triples.

[blarglol]

The design is too fast for the gun layout, as the others have stated.

[dorn]

This is to simulate that it was impossible to design ships with triple turrets in A/Y position with very good torpedo protection as these triple turrets need more width which hull cannot provide.

This is even reason for some ships having triple turrets in superimposed position over double turrets.

So you either need to switch A with B and X with Y or you need to have only level 1 torpedo protection.

This limit will diminished through the time.

[alanschu]

I just recently got a hull form research that stated that it removed the limit for gun counts for turrets.

YMMV of course but it was late 20s/early 30s for me when I got it. It was a neat restriction and I enjoyed having to evaluate how much I cared about TPS vs more guns.

[arminpfano]

I understand this restriction, but I don´t like it. There should be a possibility to place the A turret a litte more aft to allow a 3-guns (maybe at the cost of no X turret or so). A desing with 2 guns in A and 3 in B feels "spoiled".

[kriegsmeister]

May 25, 2023 1:00:14 GMT -6 arminpfano said:

I understand this restriction, but I don´t like it. There should be a possibility to place the A turret a litte more aft to allow a 3-guns (maybe at the cost of no X turret or so). A desing with 2 guns in A and 3 in B feels "spoiled".

Agreed, had even made a post on it forever ago when the design consideration was first announced over a year ago. Back then it was said to be restricted to only "fast" ships. With the the only 2 ships designed to such a standard were the Pensacolas and Lexingtons, I figured this cutoff would be 30kts or so, but I'm thoroughly disappointed that the limit is 18kts. I'm no naval architect but the need to balance out between torpedo protection depth and a narrow hull for "high" speed shouldn't come into play until trying for above average cruiser speeds for the time, so greater than 27-30 knots. Should also factor in gun caliber and overall tonnage as well, had the Pensacolas not been hampered by the Washington treaty and were a few thousand tons heavier, the likely would have been able to fit in 4x Triples and still maintained similar speed and torpedo protection (and maybe actual gun protection too). Lexingtons are a harder argument as they were already incredibly massive, but probably could have squeezed in triple 12in guns.