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Post by blarglol on May 23, 2023 21:07:03 GMT -6
mutbka first mentioned this in the old bug thread, but I wanted to make a standalone post on the topic for proper visibility since I just saw it happen again. This occurs at game start most often.
I have two battleships. I made a division, my first. Since this is 1890 I have no rear admirals yet, so can only get one to command the div by clicking "yes" and letting the AI create one from...somewhere.
It says it has promoted Cpt. Sherman of the USS Delaware to RADM, ostensibly to command the division. Yet, what it actually does it just assign him to the pool, and a new, unseen RADM is put in as division head.
I would rather see the AI guy put there and Sherman left in place, or else actually put Sherman in command of the division, and simply allow me to place a new captain on the Delaware.
The current system is the worst of both worlds, because I possibly loose a good captain who can't go back to being a CO, and I also possibly get an unknown RADM who turns out be crap that I will then have to spend prestige on reassigning
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Post by Fredrik W on May 24, 2023 13:47:01 GMT -6
mutbka first mentioned this in the old bug thread, but I wanted to make a standalone post on the topic for proper visibility since I just saw it happen again. This occurs at game start most often.
I have two battleships. I made a division, my first. Since this is 1890 I have no rear admirals yet, so can only get one to command the div by clicking "yes" and letting the AI create one from...somewhere.
It says it has promoted Cpt. Sherman of the USS Delaware to RADM, ostensibly to command the division. Yet, what it actually does it just assign him to the pool, and a new, unseen RADM is put in as division head.
I would rather see the AI guy put there and Sherman left in place, or else actually put Sherman in command of the division, and simply allow me to place a new captain on the Delaware.
The current system is the worst of both worlds, because I possibly loose a good captain who can't go back to being a CO, and I also possibly get an unknown RADM who turns out be crap that I will then have to spend prestige on reassigning
When I try this and answer yes, the newly auto promoted RAdm is correctly put in charge of the division. Could you give step by step description of how to replicate this? You raise a good point in another way; there should probably be a couple of Rear Admirals around at game start. |
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Post by blarglol on May 24, 2023 13:53:10 GMT -6
mutbka first mentioned this in the old bug thread, but I wanted to make a standalone post on the topic for proper visibility since I just saw it happen again. This occurs at game start most often.
I have two battleships. I made a division, my first. Since this is 1890 I have no rear admirals yet, so can only get one to command the div by clicking "yes" and letting the AI create one from...somewhere.
It says it has promoted Cpt. Sherman of the USS Delaware to RADM, ostensibly to command the division. Yet, what it actually does it just assign him to the pool, and a new, unseen RADM is put in as division head.
I would rather see the AI guy put there and Sherman left in place, or else actually put Sherman in command of the division, and simply allow me to place a new captain on the Delaware.
The current system is the worst of both worlds, because I possibly loose a good captain who can't go back to being a CO, and I also possibly get an unknown RADM who turns out be crap that I will then have to spend prestige on reassigning
When I try this and answer yes, the newly auto promoted RAdm is correctly put in charge of the division. Could you give step by step description of how to replicate this? You raise a good point in another way; there should probably be a couple of Rear Admirals around at game start. No problem. Steps in sequence:
1. Start a new game, in my case so far either as the US or Italy in 1890 (not that that should matter).
2. Create a division, again in my case for the existing battleships.
3. Assign any captains as needed from the pool to ensure every ship has a CO.
4. Observe that there are no RADMs and thus the game logically must promote an officer from within the ranks to command your new division, likely one of your battleship captains.
5. Hit End Turn and select yes to allow the AI to do what it must and find a RADM.
6. Read the message log on the 2nd game turn and see that a ship CO has been promoted from captain to rear admiral and supposedly assigned to command "Battleship Division 1."
7. See that in actuality, officer XYZ has been placed in the pool, and a newly-generated, unseen RADM has been pulled from a hat by the AI and installed in command of the division in question.
8. Wonder why the AI told you it was putting old captain XYZ in charge but did not. |
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Post by Fredrik W on May 24, 2023 14:06:06 GMT -6
Found the bug! Thanks for the report and description!
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Post by cwemyss on May 24, 2023 16:44:02 GMT -6
You raise a good point in another way; there should probably be a couple of Rear Admirals around at game start. Yes! Also, I don't think it makes a ton of sense that you start with *no* information about your officers. You're a new Grand Admiral, not an import from another dimension. You'd have fitness reports, service reputations, officers who served under you as Midshipmen... any number of ways of having at least some information. |
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Post by blarglol on May 24, 2023 23:34:44 GMT -6
Found the bug! Thanks for the report and description! Awesome, glad I could help out and wasn't crazy seeing this happen. I think it is especially on new games. |
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Post by zulu354 on May 25, 2023 13:03:26 GMT -6
You raise a good point in another way; there should probably be a couple of Rear Admirals around at game start. Yes! Also, I don't think it makes a ton of sense that you start with *no* information about your officers. You're a new Grand Admiral, not an import from another dimension. You'd have fitness reports, service reputations, officers who served under you as Midshipmen... any number of ways of having at least some information. At least for a couple of captains, who are already serving quite some years in the navy, a couple of abilities should be visbile.
Regarding the the OP, I'd rather like to see the AI not to pull captains and rear admirals out of nowhere, instead of promoting officers, who are already in your pool and pulling new commanders with now years into your pool. I mean, you're the head of the navy and should at least know, which officers are employed in your navy. Also imho promoting an officer with the right amount of years in his rank shouldn't cost a whole prestige point. You might could have 2 or 3 promotions a turn/or a year for free, if the officers meet the requirements (5+ years as the manual states).
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Post by blarglol on May 27, 2023 14:10:50 GMT -6
Yes! Also, I don't think it makes a ton of sense that you start with *no* information about your officers. You're a new Grand Admiral, not an import from another dimension. You'd have fitness reports, service reputations, officers who served under you as Midshipmen... any number of ways of having at least some information. At least for a couple of captains, who are already serving quite some years in the navy, a couple of abilities should be visbile.
Regarding the the OP, I'd rather like to see the AI not to pull captains and rear admirals out of nowhere, instead of promoting officers, who are already in your pool and pulling new commanders with now years into your pool. I mean, you're the head of the navy and should at least know, which officers are employed in your navy. Also imho promoting an officer with the right amount of years in his rank shouldn't cost a whole prestige point. You might could have 2 or 3 promotions a turn/or a year for free, if the officers meet the requirements (5+ years as the manual states).
I concur, seeing RADMs with 0 years experience next to veteran CPTs with 10+ years under them is a bit jarring. RADMs should come from promoting CPTs, and CPTs from promoting CMDRs. Only CMDRs should be coming out the magic hat in 99% of cases because it's assumed they are being pulled from more junior ranks which are XOs on existing vessels, and now considered ready for an independent command of their own.
Perhaps in some rare cases the rabbit hole could give you a higher-ranked officer from some event or something, but it should be a rare occurrence. What would be more interesting would be little events tied to individual ships and combat, like if a CL got in a big fight and punched far above it's weight, the CMDR could be eligible for immediate promotion for outstanding service, because his achievements are brought to your attention as head of the navy.
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Post by zulu354 on May 28, 2023 14:51:06 GMT -6
I concur, seeing RADMs with 0 years experience next to veteran CPTs with 10+ years under them is a bit jarring. RADMs should come from promoting CPTs, and CPTs from promoting CMDRs. Only CMDRs should be coming out the magic hat in 99% of cases because it's assumed they are being pulled from more junior ranks which are XOs on existing vessels, and now considered ready for an independent command of their own.
Perhaps in some rare cases the rabbit hole could give you a higher-ranked officer from some event or something, but it should be a rare occurrence. What would be more interesting would be little events tied to individual ships and combat, like if a CL got in a big fight and punched far above it's weight, the CMDR could be eligible for immediate promotion for outstanding service, because his achievements are brought to your attention as head of the navy.
Agree. Also some sort of statistics of each officer would be nice to have. Which commands he had, which battles he fought. Similar to the ships history.
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