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Post by julianbarker on Jan 14, 2016 16:53:31 GMT -6
Sometimes choosing a ship you really want is so hard - 1915 and France has collapsed just after I sank their last BB and B in an engagement with my only BC -  |
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Post by klavohunter on Jan 14, 2016 17:25:10 GMT -6
Oh man, I've had worse!
After completely annihilating the IJN's battle line, I had only CLs to pick from as prizes once.
I also had a VERY silly game last night as CSA where, in 1901 and 1903, I (and my German allies!) declared war on France after they decided to blow up one of my small ships in harbor. Both times, the French surrendered to hard peace terms without a fight.
So... Now the CSA has a colonial empire in Africa. Awkward!
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Post by julianbarker on Jan 15, 2016 0:42:28 GMT -6
In my game France has no overseas colonies. Even Corsica is lost. She fought long and hard in the second war and got my unrest up to 7 as war weariness kicked in, but my blockade forced their collapse.
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Post by julianbarker on Jan 15, 2016 0:43:24 GMT -6
BTW, I wouldn't have minded CLs if they had been modern ones.
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Post by flyingtoaster on Jan 15, 2016 15:28:21 GMT -6
I have never seen ships being offered as part of war offers. What does the war score have to look like for that? I've gotten, at most, 5 points of colonies.
I find my wars tend to be dominated with small cruiser engagements, as the enemy always declines fleet/BB engagements. Does being more aggressive with strategic map movements prompt bigger battles?
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Post by kyle on Jan 15, 2016 16:08:56 GMT -6
I have never seen ships being offered as part of war offers. What does the war score have to look like for that? I've gotten, at most, 5 points of colonies. I find my wars tend to be dominated with small cruiser engagements, as the enemy always declines fleet/BB engagements. Does being more aggressive with strategic map movements prompt bigger battles? If you stick with the war and do not accept any negotiations offers from your enemy eventually in my experience (as long as you are winning) the enemy countries government will collapse. At this point you may get the ability to pick one ship and 10 points worth of colonies. I have never seen more than that offered. I have seen lower offers when I negotiate peace rather than just kick their behinds. |
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Post by director on Jan 15, 2016 20:01:23 GMT -6
What I hate is when you beat them down, have a massive VP advantage, tell the politicians to press for hard terms... and get nothing. Not a ship, not a colony (even when they have some), nothing.
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Post by julianbarker on Jan 16, 2016 2:32:42 GMT -6
What is your unrest like? Your side can be keen to end the war also.
The best outcomes are as said above, if the enemy collapse due to unrest/blockade, rather than negotiated peace, which at best, gets you a few points of colonies.
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Post by tbr on Jan 16, 2016 4:09:55 GMT -6
I think we do not get enough when the enemy collapses. Germany lost all her colonies and effectively all her fleet at the end of WWI. And the continental European effects went far beyond anything this game can model. To even approach that we would need at least 10 ships and 40 "colony" points as "reward" after a enemy governmental collapse. This would have the benefit of putting all colonies, including India, on the table at peace conferences.
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Post by Fredrik W on Jan 17, 2016 1:27:00 GMT -6
From a realism point of view you are right tbr. But there is also gameplay to consider, and if you could completely emasculate the opponent nations, they would have a hard time rebuilding after a war. And the same thing goes for your nation if you should happen to lose a war.
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Post by zulu354 on Jan 18, 2016 6:46:09 GMT -6
From a realism point of view you are right tbr. But there is also gameplay to consider, and if you could completely emasculate the opponent nations, they would have a hard time rebuilding after a war. And the same thing goes for your nation if you should happen to lose a war. But it would be an interesting game to find back to old strenght, isn't it? :-) |
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Post by surtur on Feb 8, 2016 4:19:04 GMT -6
I think we do not get enough when the enemy collapses. Germany lost all her colonies and effectively all her fleet at the end of WWI. And the continental European effects went far beyond anything this game can model. To even approach that we would need at least 10 ships and 40 "colony" points as "reward" after a enemy governmental collapse. This would have the benefit of putting all colonies, including India, on the table at peace conferences. I think WWI here is the exeption rather than the rule. Usually, (at least in my short games so far), war is not fought by huge coalitions and as such, the international community would not easily stand for stuff like that. Look at the Russo-Japanese War for example, Russia was cought in a revolution and her Pacific and reinforcing fleet annihalitated, combined with being pushed back on land. Yet, Japanese gains were only modest and I think this game reflects it well. Of course if there are examples I am not familiar with, I stand corrected  Anyway, I am completely new to the game, but so far I am having a blast! |
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Post by kyle on Feb 8, 2016 16:40:35 GMT -6
WW1 was kind of an outlier. There were minor wars in the late 1800's, early 1900's. Japan for example fought with China earlier and then Russia. Many of the gains were lost due to international pressure (much to the annoyance of Japan). It seems to me the game follows late 1800's war examples reasonably well.
What gets me is the game doesn't hold grudges, but I do. If the UK goes to war and kicks my butt (which usually seems to happen with them) I won't sell them $&#! the rest of the game.
I do rather find it fun that you can be at war with a nation then a few years later be allied. Look at the long history between England and France... then come the Germans and France and England are allied. If WW1 had not happened the one's and two's alliances may have continued as in the game.
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Post by julianbarker on Feb 9, 2016 14:49:43 GMT -6
Just ended a game in Dec 1925 with Japan. Had four wars with Russia and won all of them. In November 2025 Russia collapsed again and I got what I always wanted - Finland! The start of Japan's dream European Empire!
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Post by kyle on Feb 10, 2016 18:21:51 GMT -6
I had a game playing as Japan where I had Finland and the Baltic states - then ended up invading Ireland.
Usually I try to take the South Asia and Indian Ocean areas as much as I can, though the wars are not always conveniently with who I want. I hate the early ones with the UK as no matter what country I'm playing they usually kick my behind!
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