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Post by Burningapple3 on Jul 29, 2023 5:20:28 GMT -6
Is it a spec that the number of aircraft does not decrease when the jet is set to R? |
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Post by jwsmith26 on Jul 29, 2023 8:17:55 GMT -6
The reduction in air strength does not happen immediately, it can take several months before the number of planes in the squadron is fully reduced after they are put into reserve. Squadron experience will also gradually fall if it is above fair level.
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Post by Burningapple3 on Jul 29, 2023 15:35:42 GMT -6
The reduction in air strength does not happen immediately, it can take several months before the number of planes in the squadron is fully reduced after they are put into reserve. Squadron experience will also gradually fall if it is above fair level. I waited 24 months after R for airplanes at the airbase. The number of propeller planes immediately decreased. However, only the number of jets did not decrease. |
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Post by jwsmith26 on Jul 29, 2023 16:50:37 GMT -6
The reduction in air strength does not happen immediately, it can take several months before the number of planes in the squadron is fully reduced after they are put into reserve. Squadron experience will also gradually fall if it is above fair level. I waited 24 months after R for airplanes at the airbase. The number of propeller planes immediately decreased. However, only the number of jets did not decrease. You are correct. Jet aircraft placed in reserve will not have the number of active aircraft in the squadron reduced. Prop planes placed in reserve do have their active aircraft reduced. This occurred on both CVs and at air bases. This issue was present in ver. 1.00.16. It was also present in a version 1.00.00 that I tested. The loss of experience from being placed in reserve still does affect jets. Both jet aircraft and prop aircraft placed in reserve will lose experience until their experience reaches a level of fair. Thanks, Burningapple3 , I'll bring this to the attention of our internal testing team. |
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Post by Burningapple3 on Jul 29, 2023 17:08:51 GMT -6
Thanks for checking.
I was on ver 1.00.14.
I created a new save data and tried it, but it was the same.
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Post by Fredrik W on Jul 29, 2023 23:29:47 GMT -6
This is not a bug, this is WAD. There are two reasons for this. Jet aircraft take much longer time to produce than older WW2 style prop aircraft. It is also to dampen the cost difference between war and peace, which tends to grow in the later game.
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Post by Burningapple3 on Jul 30, 2023 1:04:43 GMT -6
This is not a bug, this is WAD. There are two reasons for this. Jet aircraft take much longer time to produce than older WW2 style prop aircraft. It is also to dampen the cost difference between war and peace, which tends to grow in the later game. Thanks for the explanation. So that is a WAD. I had to manually reduce the number of planes even as the proficiency level dropped to reduce costs. |
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Post by brygun on Jul 31, 2023 17:14:12 GMT -6
HUh....
dont quite get the idea of the WAD on this. When taken out of the force pool they go to the "on hand" don't they? So the are being produced to "on hand". At least thats the expectation
Still... if kept is good to know about it though many wont expect the change.
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Post by Burningapple3 on Jul 31, 2023 19:19:09 GMT -6
This is not a bug, this is WAD. There are two reasons for this. Jet aircraft take much longer time to produce than older WW2 style prop aircraft. It is also to dampen the cost difference between war and peace, which tends to grow in the later game. Thanks for the explanation. So that is a WAD. I had to manually reduce the number of planes even as the proficiency level dropped to reduce costs. I took some time to think about it a bit. I understand that the numbers are maintained because jets are expensive & it is a game-like management. However, I think it is unnatural that only pilot proficiency goes down, but not maintenance costs. I am not familiar with the Air Force, but do maintenance costs remain the same for jets in operating and reserve status? |
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Post by brygun on Aug 1, 2023 11:24:05 GMT -6
I am not familiar with the Air Force, but do maintenance costs remain the same for jets in operating and reserve status? To my understanding reserve status and the loss of quality comes from not so much the number of aircraft but rather the number of flights. The term "flight" in this case can be understood with the example that 8 sorties can mean 1 plane flown 8 times, 2 planes flown 4 times etc to 8 planes flown once or... 16 planes of which only half are flown. In war time say you have 20 planes. Every day you are running them once if not twice. So 30 sorties a day, 210 a week. Flying the plan is what builds up the pilots skill. On reserve status the pilots are losing skill towards fair as they fly less often. 5 planes on reserve in this game normally becomes 4. Physically one less plane available. Also the planes arent doing 200 sorties a week. They might still do 4 a day or 28 a week which could mean the air crew cycling through as 20 crews each flying once a week not 4 crews flying 7 times a week. The spread out aircrew does reflect the quality sliding to fair. Flying once a week may keep up qualification but hard to get expert. There could be ground side classes and simulators which aren't as pure as flying the plane. Really personally don't see jets being under a different mechanic than the prop planes. The # on hand reflects the # built. The # at airbases draws from the # on hand when you go to a war footing already. |
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Post by Burningapple3 on Aug 2, 2023 12:27:19 GMT -6
I am not familiar with the Air Force, but do maintenance costs remain the same for jets in operating and reserve status? To my understanding reserve status and the loss of quality comes from not so much the number of aircraft but rather the number of flights. The term "flight" in this case can be understood with the example that 8 sorties can mean 1 plane flown 8 times, 2 planes flown 4 times etc to 8 planes flown once or... 16 planes of which only half are flown. I understand the explanation of pilot proficiency by number of flights. That is a good interpretation. Really personally don't see jets being under a different mechanic than the prop planes. The # on hand reflects the # built. The # at airbases draws from the # on hand when you go to a war footing already.
I interpret this to mean that propeller planes can be easily put into stock status, but jet planes are more difficult.
Personally, I would like to return jets to stock status as well. |
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