Foreign Station tonnage not calculating correctly

[voelfgar]

I was playing Austria-Hungary in the 1900 setting. Prior to this, they had no "colonies", so all ships were in the Med. Then A-H acquires Norway and a requirement of 8,000 tons of Foreign Station ships. I assigned 1 x 8400 ton protected cruiser (CA), 2 x 600 ton destroyers and 1 x 400 ton destroyer. However, it still showed that I was short 400 tons. So I added another 400 ton destroyer, but the foreign station amount only dropped 200 tons. In the end, I had to assign 10,900 tons to meet an 8,000 ton requirement.

[wlbjork]

Ships over 6,000t suffer a penalty to how much Foreign Stations tonnage they add - it's 6,000t+(F(T-6,000), where F is a fraction and T is the total tonnage of the ship.

So too do ships with Short Range and/or Cramped Accommodation - in this case, I'd guess they had Short range which is a 50% penalty.

Edit: FYI, a single 6,000t CL with the Colonial Service box ticked would fulfil the tonnage requirement on its own.

[voelfgar]

I just looked and yeah the 8400t I only got 6800 FS credit. And while my DDs are medium range with normal accommodations, they are not for colonial service. So it looks like without the colonial service flag, it only counts half the tonnage.

[TheOtherPoster]

I think you're righ: FS values for no-colonial ships 3000tm and under seem to be wrong:

I've built some no colonial ships of 3000tm displacement and they seem to have no FS value at all. Zero.

Also FS displacement value for no-colonial ships under 3000tm in RTW3 is only half what it is in RTW2. FS value results from multiplying their true displacement by the following:

                                           FS VALUE (under 3000tm)
                                                   RTW2     RTW3
normal range and accomodation      1           0.5
cramped                                        0.7        0.35
short range                                    0.5        0.25
cramped and short range                0.35      0.175


So a 1,000tm ship in FS in RTW2 with normal accommodation and range would still count as 1,000tm. But in RTW3 its value is half, only 500tm. Likewise, the same 1000tm ship with cramped accommodation would count as 700tm in RTW2 (1000*0.7) but only 350tm in RTW3. I think this maybe unintended by the NWS team.

In the bright side, from 4000tm upwards it follows RTW2 FS values correctly, including the formula for all ships over 6000tm: D/3+4000, where D is displacement. Plus RTW2 weight penalties for short range or cramped accommodation as stated above also apply to those ships. So a 10,000tm ship on FS will count as 7,333tm only. And if it has short range, just 3,666tm

[brygun]

I make 2,500 ton KE for foreign service with Colonial Service ticked and IIRC they fulfill ~ 3,150 with is the +25% listed in the manual



Not sure if crew quality also applies. Hope it doesnt as the FS ships grind down to crap.

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[TheOtherPoster]

I think the latest RTW3 update has not addressed this issue yet and I’m worried it may have been overlooked. So I thought to write another post about it. This time I’ve attached the screens from a RTW3 game and a RTW2 game for comparison. 

Ships over 6000tm use a specific formula but they seem OK so I haven't included them here. Neither I have included ships on colonial service as they also show the right values regardless of their displacement.

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We can see the following values regarding displacement for ships on foreign stations in the RTW3 game.

True displacement     FS value
        6000                    6000
        5000                    5000
        4000                    4000
        3000                         0
        2000                    1000
        1000                      500


 short range ships      FS value
        6000                    3000
        5000                    2500
        4000                    2000
        3000                         0
        2000                     500
        1000                     250

If things haven’t changed from RTW2,

1. Ships under 6000tm with normal accommodation and at least medium range will keep their true displacement when on FS duties. 

So a 5000tm ship will count as 5000tm on FS too. Likewise a 2000tm ship will count for 2000tm too. 

2. Short range ships under 6000tm should have a FS value half their true displacement. 

So a 5000tm ship with short range on FS will count 2500tm only. And a FS 2000tm short range ship should count as 1000tm.

So looking at the values from my game, there seems to be a problem with ships 3000tm and under on foreign stations:

1. 3000tm ships have not FS value at all

2. 1000 and 2000tm have a value only half of what it should be: so a 1000tm ship with medium range and normal accommodation should count 1000tm on FS but it counts only 500tm. And if that 1000tm ships has short range (=now it should count 500tm) it counts 250tm only. Again half what it should.

I don’t know if the NWS team has decided to give lower values to small ships in FS than in RTW2. Could you please let me know if that’s the case? Anyway, 3000tm ships having zero FS value must be a bug.

[ewaldvonkleist]

Consider posting in the Matrix forum. Someone of the staff at least replies there regularly, I am not sure the posts here are actually read since there are very few dev replies.

[wlbjork]

Replies are about 50-50. Issues get addressed even without replies, unless it's to identify that something is not a bug etc.

[williammiller]

I am pointing Fredrik W at this - he will double-check the code to see if something may be amiss.

Thanks for the reports, apprecaited!