Does your gun research create +1 guns? Re possible bug

[ewaldvonkleist]

Please tell me:
1. How often does it happen that your own (!) gun research gives you +1 quality guns of any calibre until year X with nation Y?
2. How often does it happen that your own (!) gun research gives you 0 quality guns of calibre 17in or above until year X with nation Y?
You can pick your year X and nation Y depending on how far and what you typically play, but please share it so I can compare the results.

My gun research results tend to be disappointing and I wonder if there may be a gun research bug.
In my game as Germany until 1954, I always kept gun research on high priority from 1900 onwards, and all my +1 gun designs are either stolen or bought from foreigners. I am technologically leading everywhere else together with the US and my budget (and thus research speed) was Nr.1 or Nr.2 in the world most of the time. 

[micromagos]

Yea I personally am in a game in 1920 and have no +1 guns though lots of 0 quality. Granted I imagine guns generally weren't very high quality in 1920 so I'm not sure my experience counts much for your question.

[ewaldvonkleist]

Aug 10, 2023 17:05:38 GMT -6 micromagos said:

Yea I personally am in a game in 1920 and have no +1 guns though lots of 0 quality. Granted I imagine guns generally weren't very high quality in 1920 so I'm not sure my experience counts much for your question.

Thank you for the report. Please keep me updated as you progress, a report from late 1930s or 1940s would be great. What nation are you playing?

[ck07]

As IT I developed an 8"(+1) in July 1905, or maybe a month or two before. Then a 16"(+1) sometime in 1918.

[cormallen]

I presume it's going to be hiding somewhere in the hard coded bit of the game but other techs have "dates" attached? It looks like gun advances are a bit more free form...

[hawkeye]

Germany, 1890 start

1909:
-Q -2 guns: 10"
-Q -1 guns: 5", 8" and 12"
-Q 0 guns: 2", 4", 6", 9", 11", 13", 14" (2 and 4 inch guns are q0 at game's start)
-Q 1 guns: Only the 3" I started the game with as Q1


Same game 1918:
-Q -2 guns: None
-Q -1 guns: 8" (yes, still at -1), 16", 17"
-Q 0 guns: 2", 4", 5", 6", 7", 9 - 15"
-Q 1 guns: 3"

[ewaldvonkleist]

Aug 11, 2023 3:30:58 GMT -6 hawkeye said:

Germany, 1890 start

1909:
-Q -2 guns: 10"
-Q -1 guns: 5", 8" and 12"
-Q 0 guns: 2", 4", 6", 9", 11", 13", 14" (2 and 4 inch guns are q0 at game's start)
-Q 1 guns: Only the 3" I started the game with as Q1


Same game 1918:
-Q -2 guns: None
-Q -1 guns: 8" (yes, still at -1), 16", 17"
-Q 0 guns: 2", 4", 5", 6", 7", 9 - 15"
-Q 1 guns: 3"

Thank you very much for the detailed report! Please keep me updated on this, especially another report from the 1930s or 1940s would be great!
I also noted that for the 1890s start, guns remain on -1 for a long time. 

[voelfgar]

I'm normally playing the 1900 game and most of the time nothing is +1; however, sometimes, my 3" or 4" guns might be a +1

[11226p]

Ok so I only have a later save for my recent 1890s Germany game

In 1953:
Q-2:13"
Q-1:18",19",20"
Q0:4",6",7",8",9",11",15",16",17"
Q1:2",3",5",10",12",14"

In terms of researched to aquired through other means, I'd say it is about 50:50 and I run decent espionage levels. For the 2" and 14" I remember getting the research breakthrough. The 5" and 10" were aquired through espionage but 5" is one of the regular unlocks I get otherwise. The 12" I might also have researched but I don't remember. The 14" I definitely researched in early 1930.

[micromagos]

Aug 10, 2023 17:11:52 GMT -6 ewaldvonkleist said:

Aug 10, 2023 17:05:38 GMT -6 micromagos said:

Yea I personally am in a game in 1920 and have no +1 guns though lots of 0 quality. Granted I imagine guns generally weren't very high quality in 1920 so I'm not sure my experience counts much for your question.

Thank you for the report. Please keep me updated as you progress, a report from late 1930s or 1940s would be great. What nation are you playing?

UK.

[hawkeye]

Aug 11, 2023 4:33:57 GMT -6 ewaldvonkleist said:

Aug 11, 2023 3:30:58 GMT -6 hawkeye said:

Germany, 1890 start

1909:
-Q -2 guns: 10"
-Q -1 guns: 5", 8" and 12"
-Q 0 guns: 2", 4", 6", 9", 11", 13", 14" (2 and 4 inch guns are q0 at game's start)
-Q 1 guns: Only the 3" I started the game with as Q1


Same game 1918:
-Q -2 guns: None
-Q -1 guns: 8" (yes, still at -1), 16", 17"
-Q 0 guns: 2", 4", 5", 6", 7", 9 - 15"
-Q 1 guns: 3"

Thank you very much for the detailed report! Please keep me updated on this, especially another report from the 1930s or 1940s would be great!
I also noted that for the 1890s start, guns remain on -1 for a long time. 

Will do as soon as I advance into the 30s...but I have started playing Baldur's Gate 3 and, well, I'm kind of obsessed with it right now 

[ewaldvonkleist]

Thanks a lot to all who have posted here! I can obtain the data via an other approach now, you don't need to enter your gun research results here anymore.

Thanks again to all who posted!