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Post by golingarf on Jul 29, 2024 20:36:09 GMT -6
There are at least a few types of ships that deploy differently than others of their hull classification symbol, based on their characteristics.
Those that I know of are:
Fast Battleships - BB over a certain speed and after a certain year can deploy as either battleships or battlecruisers.
Escort destroyers - DD up to 1000 tons (and below 26 knots maybe?) will be unlikely to be pulled into battles (except maybe convoy defense, I am guessing?)
CLAA - CL with DP main armament (I think that's the only requirement) deploy in carrier support starting 1940 or so.
Ise-like hybrids - capital ships with a lot (how many? no clue) of seaplanes or helicopters can deploy in carrier divisions or capital ship divisions, but never (seemingly) more than one in either.
Missile corvettes - I have no idea what the rules are for these.
Are there any others? A new user ( loropala) asked about scout cruisers, and I am not aware of that being a separate category.
I do feel like this should not be hidden as players should be aware of how their ships are being used.
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Post by wlbjork on Jul 29, 2024 21:30:59 GMT -6
Maybe the Deutschland designs?
CA with single A and Y turrets mounting 11" guns. Possibly a tonnage limit? I rarely build one, so can't swear to the limits.
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Post by bobrose on Jul 29, 2024 23:16:23 GMT -6
Tsukuba-like CA (2x2x12 inch main armament, up to 16000 tonnage, up to 22 knots and up to 6 inch belt armor) appear to be treated specially by battle generator and have 7 points of blockade value instead of 6. They can be matched against pre-dreadnoughts battleships in battleship engagements, and operate in lesser numbers with fewer escort against other cruisers. I guess it means that "deployment points" needed to get such a ship into battle is closer to BC.
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Post by golingarf on Jul 30, 2024 4:26:01 GMT -6
Maybe the Deutschland designs? CA with single A and Y turrets mounting 11" guns. Possibly a tonnage limit? I rarely build one, so can't swear to the limits. They are up to 12000 tons and maximum 6x11" regardless of turret arrangement. I have no idea if they are deployed differently than other CA designs. Tsukuba-like CA (2x2x12 inch main armament, up to 16000 tonnage, up to 22 knots and up to 6 inch belt armor) appear to be treated specially by battle generator and have 7 points of blockade value instead of 6. They can be matched against pre-dreadnoughts battleships in battleship engagements, and operate in lesser numbers with fewer escort against other cruisers. I guess it means that "deployment points" needed to get such a ship into battle is closer to BC. Is this a case of them being a separate subcategory of CA, or are there actually "deployment points?" |
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Post by bobrose on Jul 30, 2024 5:32:44 GMT -6
Maybe the Deutschland designs? CA with single A and Y turrets mounting 11" guns. Possibly a tonnage limit? I rarely build one, so can't swear to the limits. They are up to 12000 tons and maximum 6x11" regardless of turret arrangement. I have no idea if they are deployed differently than other CA designs. Tsukuba-like CA (2x2x12 inch main armament, up to 16000 tonnage, up to 22 knots and up to 6 inch belt armor) appear to be treated specially by battle generator and have 7 points of blockade value instead of 6. They can be matched against pre-dreadnoughts battleships in battleship engagements, and operate in lesser numbers with fewer escort against other cruisers. I guess it means that "deployment points" needed to get such a ship into battle is closer to BC. Is this a case of them being a separate subcategory of CA, or are there actually "deployment points?" I am not sure of neither, because it is not stated in game manual. I write "deployment points" this way because there is certainly some hidden value that determines how much ship on each side are generated for battles, and game on purpose makes some of missions against inferior or superior opponent, numerically or by quality of ship. In RTW2 and RTW3 prior update that featured player-made Divisions, I always had lone Tsukuba-like CA against CL division with DD support or pair of Tsukuba-like CAs against enemy regular CA with CL scouting and pair of DD support divisions. In current 1.00.52 versions, Tsukuba-like CAs, at least from my experience, tend to rarely appear in full division if not against comparable opponents (with equal "deployment points") like pre-dreadnought battleships or early BCs. |
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Post by dia on Jul 30, 2024 19:49:28 GMT -6
Ise-like hybrids - capital ships with a lot (how many? no clue) of seaplanes or helicopters can deploy in carrier divisions or capital ship divisions, but never (seemingly) more than one in either.
This is new to me. Do you mean they deploy with the carrier force or actual carrier divisions alongside actual carriers? If so that is neat.
Regarding missile corvettes, I've tried to use them but haven't seen them deployed. Since you can't put them in divisions like AVs, like AVs they seem to never seem to show up.
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Post by golingarf on Jul 31, 2024 8:01:37 GMT -6
Ise-like hybrids - capital ships with a lot (how many? no clue) of seaplanes or helicopters can deploy in carrier divisions or capital ship divisions, but never (seemingly) more than one in either.
This is new to me. Do you mean they deploy with the carrier force or actual carrier divisions alongside actual carriers? If so that is neat.
Regarding missile corvettes, I've tried to use them but haven't seen them deployed. Since you can't put them in divisions like AVs, like AVs they seem to never seem to show up.
I think it deploys in its own division within the carrier force. It would be nice to get dev comments though.
Interesting to know that about missile corvettes. I wondered if they would actually appear in battles, since regular corvettes don't (after 1900 or so).
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Post by koumiya on Aug 1, 2024 8:47:53 GMT -6
I built a high-speed missile corvette in the 1970s and had it accompany the main fleet while in active service.
Then, several missile corvettes were organized into squadrons and participated in naval battles.
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Post by golingarf on Aug 1, 2024 20:27:18 GMT -6
Ise-like hybrids - capital ships with a lot (how many? no clue) of seaplanes or helicopters can deploy in carrier divisions or capital ship divisions, but never (seemingly) more than one in either.
This is new to me. Do you mean they deploy with the carrier force or actual carrier divisions alongside actual carriers? If so that is neat.
Regarding missile corvettes, I've tried to use them but haven't seen them deployed. Since you can't put them in divisions like AVs, like AVs they seem to never seem to show up.
On second thought, I may be mistaken about this one. I'm basing it on comments by Alekan on Discord, but there is a great deal of superstition about the battle generator over there. |
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