Reduction in ASW value

[thedoctorking]

I have a bunch of ships that are reporting reduced ASW value despite the fact that they have good or better crews, modern sonar, helicopters, ASW torpedo techs, etc. What is the trigger for the reduced ASW values? 

I also notice that one of my ASW KEs has enhanced sonar, but if you look at the design the box is checked, but greyed out. Is there something wrong with this design that means that the enhanced sonar doesn't have any effect? I'm wondering if this is a bug. 

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[dia]

The enhanced sonar option is greyed out because it cannot be removed or added during a refit/rebuild.

[thedoctorking]

Thanks, yes, I saw you can't add towed array to ships in refit, unclear why that would be as the US Navy did it all the time, but whatever. I'm still wondering why the KE in question, listed in its design as having an 11 ASW value, is showing up on the Ships in service window with 3(9).

[wlbjork]

The KEs are in need of a refit. Until this happens, their maximum ASW value is halved.

As for other ships, I hadn't noticed before, but it seems even Elite crews - which previously were able to get higher then max ASW values - on non-KE ships aren't guarranteed to reach max. Not sure if this is WAD or not though.

[thedoctorking]

I don't know, those ships were basically new, certainly less than 10 years old given that they had the improved sonar system built in and I only got that tech in 1948 or so. Subsequently in the same game, I scrapped all those guys, built new ASW KEs, with a nominal ASW value of 16, and granted only with "fair" crews, they are showing 8(14) as their value on the Ships in Service screen. I think this is a bug.

[wlbjork]

There's several that have reduced speed values that are indicative of requiring a refit, starting with the Ville De Bougie class - those will have their ASW values capped.

Did miss the discrepancy in ASW values mentioned though - can't account for that or say I have noticed it in my game. If it's 1-3 points then it could be an error with counting Increased DC Stowage and DCTs in the designer when they're obsolete in game.

[thedoctorking]

I was referring to the Bout de Zan specifically. The original design dates from 1953. In my original post, it was 1958, and they were showing 4(9) ASW value. I refitted some of them in 1958, and now I've played up to 1963 and the unrefitted ones are still showing 4(9) while the refitted ones (with all the bells and whistles and refits only 5 years old) are showing 7(13). My question is, why the reduction. Okay, if DC racks are obsolete, fine, but if their base is 13, why are they only effectively 7?

I have a similar issue with some DDs, 1960 models, so only 3 years old at this point. Good crew, nominal ASW value of 18 from the designer, but showing 13(18) on the ships in service screen.

And a newer model of ASW KEs, nominal value of 16 from the designer, Good crew, showing 9(14) on the ships in service screen. Even one DD with an elite crew is only up to 16(18). There is something screwy with the ASW calculations.

[aqvilamagna]

Somewhat late of a reply, but I was having a similar issue and it seems like the depressed ASW values are most likely a consequence of keeping depth charges on your ships after they become obsolete. Built two one-off designs to test it out and once both had finished working up, the one with depth charges still on it had a depressed ASW value of 14(20) whereas the one without depth charges had a more reasonable ASW value of 18(20). Both only had a "fair" crew quality, so the latter of the two could easily reach it's full ASW potential with a slightly better crew.

[thedoctorking]

Good information, thanks! I think this qualifies as a bug. Surely having obsolete equipment on board doesn't interfere with the effectiveness of the up to date stuff.