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Post by Nicholas on Aug 24, 2024 16:06:36 GMT -6
  I'm not sure exactly how many people are reading my AAR, so I'll elaborate. During my 1890 Japan start, I laid down a typical 12 inch armed pre-dreadnought battleship in 1895 and was advised to put together a 10 inch armed battleship with three twin turrets. I was loathe to lower the caliber down to 10, but I remembered the Brandenburg class of battleships that Germany laid down IRL and put together a design based on them. It's only now that I'm realizing, and looking at the ResearchAreas3 file, that 3 centreline turrets are a 1905 technology. I even opened up a 1900 start and tried to add in that third turret that I added in that 1890 start and it ain't coming up. Is it a bug or is something else going on here? |
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Post by Burningapple3 on Aug 24, 2024 19:15:28 GMT -6
View AttachmentView AttachmentI'm not sure exactly how many people are reading my AAR, so I'll elaborate. During my 1890 Japan start, I laid down a typical 12 inch armed pre-dreadnought battleship in 1895 and was advised to put together a 10 inch armed battleship with three twin turrets. I was loathe to lower the caliber down to 10, but I remembered the Brandenburg class of battleships that Germany laid down IRL and put together a design based on them. It's only now that I'm realizing, and looking at the ResearchAreas3 file, that 3 centreline turrets are a 1905 technology. I even opened up a 1900 start and tried to add in that third turret that I added in that 1890 start and it ain't coming up. Is it a bug or is something else going on here? believe the centerline 3 turret was designed specifically for the Q-2 gun before the technology was acquired. For the UK starting in 1900, 13in is Q-2 and the others are Q-1, so it is easy to check there.
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Post by blarglol on Aug 24, 2024 20:59:00 GMT -6
View AttachmentView AttachmentI'm not sure exactly how many people are reading my AAR, so I'll elaborate. During my 1890 Japan start, I laid down a typical 12 inch armed pre-dreadnought battleship in 1895 and was advised to put together a 10 inch armed battleship with three twin turrets.......only now that I'm realizing, and looking at the ResearchAreas3 file, that 3 centreline turrets are a 1905 technology. I even opened up a 1900 start and tried to add in that third turret that I added in that 1890 start and it ain't coming up. Is it a bug or is something else going on here? The game will "lay down" aka generate all sorts of designs that aren't quite legal for one reason or another. Pre-dreadnought battleships, B, are limited to two main gun turrets per the manual. Are you saying you actually built that three-turret design, or simply that the game generated it for you as a possible design?
3+ main caliber turrets are reserved for the dreadnought unlock
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Post by Nicholas on Aug 24, 2024 21:28:04 GMT -6
View AttachmentView AttachmentI'm not sure exactly how many people are reading my AAR, so I'll elaborate. During my 1890 Japan start, I laid down a typical 12 inch armed pre-dreadnought battleship in 1895 and was advised to put together a 10 inch armed battleship with three twin turrets.......only now that I'm realizing, and looking at the ResearchAreas3 file, that 3 centreline turrets are a 1905 technology. I even opened up a 1900 start and tried to add in that third turret that I added in that 1890 start and it ain't coming up. Is it a bug or is something else going on here? The game will "lay down" aka generate all sorts of designs that aren't quite legal for one reason or another. Pre-dreadnought battleships, B, are limited to two main gun turrets per the manual. Are you saying you actually built that three-turret design, or simply that the game generated it for you as a possible design?
3+ main caliber turrets are reserved for the dreadnought unlock
More along the lines of I pressed the ship designer and had a German yard auto design a pre-dreadnought battleship, B, until it generated a hull similar to, if not the same, as the Brandenburg class battleship before ensuring that gun caliber is 11 inches and, manually, adding in a third twin turret, R - Aft centreline. If I knew what design template the Brandenburgs were I'd have just gone to graphics and loaded that design template. As is, I've since saved that design under Brandenburg. The game generated the hull, but only with an AY turret arrangement. I had to manually add in the third turret, but I did not built the three turreted design, I initially designed it as an alternative to a 10 inch gun design that I was advised to put together. On that AAR is another three turreted design for an armored cruiser, CA.  It ain't exactly pretty, but considering the success of it's 2 turreted AY predecessor, the suggestion to use three twin turrets in the first place, and the ship designer saying "All OK" I'll see if I can actually lay down the three turreted cruiser before doing the same with the Brandenburgs. It'll make for a good experiment, especially since I've just looked through the Update Listings and wondered if I could remove the R - Aft centreline turret and replace the quality -2 guns with improved versions or if the three turreted design is completely locked out of that option. The exact wording is "Prevented replacement of -2 quality main guns if ship has more than 2 centerline turrets." So, if I do actually build the damn things and then remove the R - Aft centreline turret during a rebuild then could I replace the main guns with higher quality models or not? |
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Post by wlbjork on Aug 24, 2024 21:31:07 GMT -6
Burningapple3 is correct, Bs have a lot more gun position choices for Q-2 Guns - more than I remembered in fact. You can basically build an early BB - but as the guns can't be upgraded, it's something of a wash.
Edit: Pretty sure that you now cannot replace Q-2 guns at all. There was a limit on replacing Q-2 guns on the Brandenburg types that evolved into a total ban on upgrading Q-2 guns.
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Post by seafury on Aug 25, 2024 3:05:10 GMT -6
It isn't a bug,before you get the 12inL40(Q=-1),you can put 3 turrets on the ship just like Brandenburg or Ekaterina II.
But that not mean you can design dreadnought in 1890s for you can't improve the 12inL35 to12inL40,and this kind of battleship will still seen as pre-dreadnought.
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Post by bobrose on Aug 27, 2024 8:01:30 GMT -6
It isn't a bug,before you get the 12inL40(Q=-1),you can put 3 turrets on the ship just like Brandenburg or Ekaterina II. But that not mean you can design dreadnought in 1890s for you can't improve the 12inL35 to12inL40,and this kind of battleship will still seen as pre-dreadnought. That is not entirely true. There is a possibility in .52 version of RTW3 to design ship that game would classify as dreadnought battleship in 1890. Turrets with 1 x 11 inch gun can be placed in A H I Y poisitions without any ship design technology researched. After such ship is completed, there is possibility to gain tech for main battery wing turrets of any caliber and quality, including twin turrets. I made a post about this in bug reporting section of forum. |
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