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Post by generalvikus on Oct 6, 2018 9:27:26 GMT -6
Hey guys,
I'm currently embroiled in a war in 1911 and have come off poorly in a number of engagements. I've noticed that my problem has not so much been that my shells aren't hitting, but that they don't seem to be hitting hard enough. For example, in a recent engagement, two of my Battlecruisers armed with 6 x 14 inch guns scored 17 hits on an enemy battlecruiser whose belt armor was only 6 inches, while receiving only 4 hits between them in return - but they just couldn't close the deal, and the ship escaped to port. I check after the battle, expecting that the hits had impacted on the enemy ship's heavy deck armor - but no, there were plenty of B and BE hits.
So, by the process of elimination, I'm wondering if my HE tech might be the culprit. Is this possible?
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Post by aeson on Oct 6, 2018 11:31:31 GMT -6
Just to be sure, when you checked where your shells were hitting, you made sure that they were penetrating, correct?
My understanding is that AP and SAP shell damage is dependent upon HE tech level, so yes, if your HE tech is behind, the damage your shells inflict could be somewhat anemic even if they penetrate the armor. That said, I don't know that I'd consider even a thin-skinned battlecruiser escaping destruction after sustaining 17 14" hits to be too abnormal; as long as your 14" shells didn't cause too much flooding, start big fires, or cause a magazine to blow up, 17 14" hits strikes me as moderately survivable, even with thin armor.
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Post by generalvikus on Oct 6, 2018 11:52:37 GMT -6
Just to be sure, when you checked where your shells were hitting, you made sure that they were penetrating, correct?
My understanding is that AP and SAP shell damage is dependent upon HE tech level, so yes, if your HE tech is behind, the damage your shells inflict could be somewhat anemic even if they penetrate the armor. That said, I don't know that I'd consider even a thin-skinned battlecruiser escaping destruction after sustaining 17 14" hits to be too abnormal; as long as your 14" shells didn't cause too much flooding, start big fires, or cause a magazine to blow up, 17 14" hits strikes me as moderately survivable, even with thin armor.
I'm pretty sure that the hits penetrated - but I'm not certain that I remember now that you mention it. In any case, I'll take your word for it - I'm still a little green when it comes to engagements between large vessels. To be clear - is HE tech the only factor in determining the damage done by an AP or SAP hit, or does the AP tech level also effect damage done by AP and SAP hits? |
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Post by aeson on Oct 6, 2018 14:01:28 GMT -6
There are a couple techs in the AP research area - Reliable Bursting Charges c.1902 and Stable Explosive Filler c.1911 - which have the stated effect "enhances damage from penetrating hits." My guess would be that these reduce the likelihood of duds and premature detonations rather than being straight damage bonuses, however.
The other AP techs all say that they improve the armor-penetrating ability of AP shells and don't mention anything about damage, so my assumption would be that they don't directly increase the damage done by AP shells. |
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Post by bcoopactual on Oct 6, 2018 16:07:39 GMT -6
It's been confirmed by Fredrik in the past that HE research benefits the damage by all shells. It's an entry in his tidbits file: "The damage of all kinds of projectiles actually benefits to a smaller or larger degree from HE shells research." generalvikus , do you know how to tell in the logs which hits penetrated and which didn't? |
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Post by williammiller on Oct 6, 2018 18:34:28 GMT -6
Don't forget also that net shell penetration is affected by the relative angle of the guns to the armor struck...listed shell penetration is when the shell strikes at a 90 degree angle to the armor, so hits at angles of less than 90 degrees will increase the effective armor thickness of the location struck.
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Post by generalvikus on Oct 6, 2018 19:22:37 GMT -6
It's been confirmed by Fredrik in the past that HE research benefits the damage by all shells. It's an entry in his tidbits file: "The damage of all kinds of projectiles actually benefits to a smaller or larger degree from HE shells research." generalvikus , do you know how to tell in the logs which hits penetrated and which didn't? It's possible that I do know but can't visualize it in my head, but for the record how do I tell? |
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Post by bcoopactual on Oct 6, 2018 20:02:02 GMT -6
It's been confirmed by Fredrik in the past that HE research benefits the damage by all shells. It's an entry in his tidbits file: "The damage of all kinds of projectiles actually benefits to a smaller or larger degree from HE shells research." generalvikus , do you know how to tell in the logs which hits penetrated and which didn't? It's possible that I do know but can't visualize it in my head, but for the record how do I tell? Entries in the Ship's log that have an asterisk (*) indicate the shell penetrated. Example below. You can compare the highlighted entries with several of the belt hits that don't have one and so indicate the shell did not penetrate the armor.  |
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Post by generalvikus on Oct 6, 2018 20:17:45 GMT -6
It's possible that I do know but can't visualize it in my head, but for the record how do I tell? Entries in the Ship's log that have an asterisk (*) indicate the shell penetrated. Example below. You can compare the highlighted entries with several of the belt hits that don't have one and so indicate the shell did not penetrate the armor. Thanks very much. |
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