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Post by sittingduck on Nov 1, 2018 10:59:15 GMT -6
When we reach that point (we are not there yet), I am sure williammiller will gleefully announce such activities. :] Be warned though, we are Not There Yet. At the moment, treat it like Bozo Show tickets from back in the day. (the 8 people who grew up in Chicago will know what I mean!) Ha! My corner of Ohio had Uncle Al. Keep the curtains cracked so we can glimpse what's going on... |
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Post by williammiller on Nov 1, 2018 14:16:26 GMT -6
More like Alpha testing. I'll admit things are going more slowly than anticipated. The air system adds a lot of complications. Totally understandable, if you want a deep and historical air system that can support for example the Pacific war you need to look into features like: - Airstrikes from Carriers ( confirmed implemented ) - Airstrikes from Land based air - Ship AA ( confirmed implemented ) - Radar ( confirmed implemented ) - Island airbases - Automated air patrols looking for ships, from both own ships and island airbases - Carriers with Combat Air patrol (CAP) - Combat between Carrier CAP and scouts ( and air scouts shadowing fleets ) - Ability/Missions to attack airbases on islands ( or other targets ) with both ships and planes to neutralize them - Static AA making and planes on these island airbases able to defend against above airstrikes - Experience of aircrew/airwings - Air units that are Carrier capable and those that are not - Ability to move above Carrier capable units from Carriers to land airbase and vice versa - ASW support from escort Carriers - Plane ferrying Carriers - Tokyo express style missions to support invasions - Doolittle raid style mission? - Air dropped naval mines like Operation Starvation? - Pearl Harbor style surprise attacks? ( strongly hinted at will be implemented ) - Kamikazes? And that is just a list after 10 min of brainstorming, I'm sure I missed a few. I am very curious about how many of these you are looking to trying to implement, and hearing more details about in what way in the future development updates. As a quick idea of how much internal discussion and such we have been doing on matters related to the above, just the "Carrier Tech" internal testers thread for the alpha releases is 20 pages long at this point...
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Post by axe99 on Nov 1, 2018 14:38:40 GMT -6
As a quick idea of how much internal discussion and such we have been doing on matters related to the above, just the "Carrier Tech" internal testers thread for the alpha releases is 20 pages long at this point...
From the wonderful levels of attention-to-detail in RtW1, I have faith you guys know what you're talking about  . |
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Post by jeb94 on Nov 5, 2018 2:03:37 GMT -6
My mind got stuck on DEs. With a design system similar to RTW1, (refined of course) there is no reason we couldn't build DE/FF type ships. Just build a small DD with reduced speed to compensate. Fewer guns of course and load them up with ASW weapons/sensors. Include a torpedo launcher if you like or load them with more ASW/AAW. The player would have to remember to assign them to CP/escort duty in time of war to try and keep them from DD fleet roles. Of course, in real life a few did find themselves engaged in such roles.
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Post by dorn on Nov 5, 2018 3:11:05 GMT -6
My mind got stuck on DEs. With a design system similar to RTW1, (refined of course) there is no reason we couldn't build DE/FF type ships. Just build a small DD with reduced speed to compensate. Fewer guns of course and load them up with ASW weapons/sensors. Include a torpedo launcher if you like or load them with more ASW/AAW. The player would have to remember to assign them to CP/escort duty in time of war to try and keep them from DD fleet roles. Of course, in real life a few did find themselves engaged in such roles. I am already building such ships. 300 tons DD with low speed (just a little higher than 20 knots), minimal armament. They have advantage over minesweepers that they do not loose gun duel with submarines even their guns are awful. :-) So they are very good alternative for cost point of view (their maintenance costs are same as cheap minesweepers, their construction costs is slightly higher) and they are not automatically scrapped. However they do not provide minesweeper ability. |
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Post by AiryW on Nov 5, 2018 20:02:15 GMT -6
The neat thing about FFs and DEs was that they were a wartime emergency measure to make use of British/American resources that normally weren't useful for warships. That's not really a thing in RTW where the focus is on the long buildup.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 5, 2018 20:15:42 GMT -6
The neat thing about FFs and DEs was that they were a wartime emergency measure to make use of British/American resources that normally weren't useful for warships. That's not really a thing in RTW where the focus is on the long buildup. The FF's and DE's were the backbone of the fleet, not the BB's. They protected the convoys, fleets and many other dull tasks. I agree. |
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Post by mycophobia on Nov 5, 2018 20:24:45 GMT -6
The neat thing about FFs and DEs was that they were a wartime emergency measure to make use of British/American resources that normally weren't useful for warships. That's not really a thing in RTW where the focus is on the long buildup. The FF's and DE's were the backbone of the fleet, not the BB's. They protected the convoys, fleets and many other dull tasks. I agree. Quite ironic that many bb ends up doing these exact dull tasks like shore bombardment and in particular convoy escorts. Which actually remind me that it maybe interesting in RTW2 to have bbs on convoy duty show up in convoy attack missions( maybe high probability to make this actually viable) to simulate historical use of outdated and slow bb like the revenge class in convoy duty to scare off capital ship raiders.(I can see this to be particularly useful in a rtw world where sub/air didn’t quite catch on, or we have a war breaking out in the middle of a treaty peroid) |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 5, 2018 20:25:57 GMT -6
The FF's and DE's were the backbone of the fleet, not the BB's. They protected the convoys, fleets and many other dull tasks. I agree. Quite ironic that many bb ends up doing these exact dull tasks like shore bombardment and in particular convoy escorts. I agree, it was ironic. They were too slow and used too much fuel. |
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Post by mycophobia on Nov 5, 2018 20:30:19 GMT -6
Quite ironic that many bb ends up doing these exact dull tasks like shore bombardment and in particular convoy escorts. I agree, it was ironic. They were too slow and used too much fuel. That does raise a good point, given the fuel consumption(slowness shouldn’t be an issue for convoy escort), why do UK make so much use of battleship escorts? Was the fear of large German surface raider the primary concern?(granted they did do horrible things to convoys early war) |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Nov 5, 2018 20:40:42 GMT -6
I agree, it was ironic. They were too slow and used too much fuel. That does raise a good point, given the fuel consumption(slowness shouldn’t be an issue for convoy escort), why do UK make so much use of battleship escorts? Was the fear of large German surface raider the primary concern?(granted they did do horrible things to convoys early war) Well, I think you have to look at where they were escorting their convoys. Through the Med, it would be the Italian fleet and battleships might be handy. In the North Sea and Atlantic, possibly the presence of Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, and the pocket battleships made it necessary. This is what I have read. |
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Post by mycophobia on Nov 5, 2018 20:45:36 GMT -6
That does raise a good point, given the fuel consumption(slowness shouldn’t be an issue for convoy escort), why do UK make so much use of battleship escorts? Was the fear of large German surface raider the primary concern?(granted they did do horrible things to convoys early war) Well, I think you have to look at where they were escorting their convoys. Through the Med, it would be the Italian fleet and battleships might be handy. In the North Sea and Atlantic, possibly the presence of Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, and the pocket battleships made it necessary. This is what I have read. ok that does make sense based on what Ive read about incidents like convoy hx-84. Still I am surprised that given the uboat situation early in the war (and Italian/German air presence)they were willing to take that risk. |
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Post by cv10 on Nov 5, 2018 20:48:33 GMT -6
That does raise a good point, given the fuel consumption(slowness shouldn’t be an issue for convoy escort), why do UK make so much use of battleship escorts? Was the fear of large German surface raider the primary concern?(granted they did do horrible things to convoys early war)
(someone else beat me to it)
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Post by aeson on Nov 5, 2018 20:58:25 GMT -6
Was the fear of large German surface raider the primary concern?(granted they did do horrible things to convoys early war) Yes. Historical battleships were little-to-no good against submarine and air attack, but very few surface raiders could afford to risk an engagement with one, even if it would be a relatively even fight, or even an engagement in which the surface raider would have an advantage; a damaged raider very easily becomes a sunk or interned raider, and the time required to defeat a heavy surface escort is often enough to allow the convoy to scatter, making it fairly difficult for a lone raider to sink more than a handful of the ships of the convoy.
Both. The two German ships were deterred from attacking another convoy (HX-106) on the same sortie by the presence of Ramillies
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Post by mycophobia on Nov 5, 2018 21:04:33 GMT -6
in any case to go back to rtw2, it will be interesting to see outdated bb appear in convoy missions, right now most of these raid involve you to simply rush in with your cruisers and do a drive by through the convoy, (if torpedoes are a concern you can sacrifice a few dd). Otherwise it’s a full on fleet battle around the convoy.
I feel it will be interesting for small groups of convoy raider to have to deal with escorting old battleships, which can lead to interesting scenarios( increase risk of convoy attack, but for the really bold cruiser group maybe a chance to sink a BB that had limited support)
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