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Post by Grim.Reaper on Apr 20, 2019 5:31:13 GMT -6
I cannot go any further into that topic for publisher relations and other reasons. I'll be honest, I don't understand this statement and I have seen other companies use it to. They say "trust us" based on experience and knowledge and discount other people who point to sources whether right or wrong....but why can't more be said to help understand the things you say the casual audience like us don't understand? I know you won't be able to provide an answer....but those statements don't really help.
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Post by alexbrunius on Apr 20, 2019 5:32:25 GMT -6
If the DRM becomes too cumbersome, limiting or restrictive to be able to enjoy playing on as many of my computers/devices as I want without hassle I'm sure there will be options to pirate the game availiable fairly quickly so I'll just swap to doing that instead like I always have before.
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Post by William Miller on Apr 20, 2019 5:35:19 GMT -6
Ah.. actually "anti-piracy experience", we are definitely not novices there.. that is all I will say.
The Graf would have been utterly destroyed in port as an RAF/RN training on the job bomb sponge or ended up being a flash in the pan Bismarck or Tirpitz.. the KM CV concept was doomed before it ever started IMHO for a variety of reasons. ;-)
Again, got a better idea that does not involve the honor system, reasonable protection, and no third party? We are all ears..
Thanks
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Post by kungfutreachery on Apr 20, 2019 5:37:45 GMT -6
Ah.. actually "anti-piracy experience", we are definitely not novices there.. that is all I will say. The Graf would have been utterly destroyed in port as an RAF/RN training on the job bomb sponge or ended up being a flash in the pan Bismarck or Tirpitz.. the KM CV concept was doomed before it ever started IMHO for a variety of reasons. ;-) Again, got a better idea that does not involve the honor system, reasonable protection, and no third party? We are all ears.. Thanks Switch to an automated system for your serial codes. Seriously. The current system is not professional and seriously exacerbates everyone's problems with the DRM scheme.
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Post by Grim.Reaper on Apr 20, 2019 5:40:30 GMT -6
Ah.. actually "anti-piracy experience", we are definitely not novices there.. that is all I will say. You can keep saying that in every thread....but don't expect everyone to just fall in line if you are unwilling to share any actual data to back it up....it's no more reliable than other people providing their opinions.
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Post by William Miller on Apr 20, 2019 5:41:26 GMT -6
"I'll be honest, I don't understand this statement and I have seen other companies use it to."
Sorry not going to disclose confidential discussions.. Some are going to hate ANY APS no matter what it is.. and the reasons for them will be a debate that will never end in our lifetimes.
I am only stating it as a note .. we did not just come up with this conclusion out of thin air, wishful thinking, some article, opinions, etc..
Not trying to be rude or otherwise..
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Post by kungfutreachery on Apr 20, 2019 5:45:26 GMT -6
Your DRM scheme has a human operator in the loop.
I've never even heard of any other dev, anywhere, even imagining a DRM system that depends on a flesh and blood person answering mail.
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Post by Grim.Reaper on Apr 20, 2019 5:46:10 GMT -6
"I'll be honest, I don't understand this statement and I have seen other companies use it to." Sorry not going to disclose confidential discussions.. Some are going to hate ANY APS no matter what it is.. and the reasons for them will be a debate that will never end in our lifetimes. I am only stating it as a note .. we did not just come up with this conclusion out of thin air, wishful thinking, some article, opinions, etc.. Not trying to be rude or otherwise.. Not trying to be rude either, but you can't put down other people's thoughts and at the same time not provide any details and continue to fall back on confidential things. And then in every post just say "trust us". Might as well just leave that part out since will only be viewed as opinion, like everyone else.
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Post by William Miller on Apr 20, 2019 5:48:04 GMT -6
"Switch to an automated system for your serial codes. Seriously. The current system is not professional and seriously exacerbates everyone's problems with the DRM scheme."
Its not that simple.. but not out of the question. With RTW2 however you won't need it to start playing after download.
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Post by alexbrunius on Apr 20, 2019 5:48:12 GMT -6
The risk if you make it more convenient to pirate than buying, activating and using legitimate products is that people who can easily afford to pay will choose pirating anyways because it's more convenient in the future.
The number one reason behind Steams success and why people use it instead of pirating is how convenient they made finding, buying and playing games.
So just keep in mind that a smooth customer experince must take first priority and I'm sure well all end up happy.
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Post by kungfutreachery on Apr 20, 2019 5:48:53 GMT -6
Does the software license we're buying even obligate you to give us the code on demand indefinitely?
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Post by Grim.Reaper on Apr 20, 2019 5:51:44 GMT -6
"Switch to an automated system for your serial codes. Seriously. The current system is not professional and seriously exacerbates everyone's problems with the DRM scheme." Its not that simple.. but not out of the question. With RTW2 however you won't need it to start playing after download. You didn't answer my other questions on the playing part. 1) Until you get the actual code, is there any limits on the game or is it fully playable? 2) How long can you play in that mode before an actual license key needs to be inputted? Have to believe there are some limits, or why would the code be needed at all?
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Post by William Miller on Apr 20, 2019 5:58:40 GMT -6
Ok.. since most of you disagree with any of my responses (not trying to be sarcastic or rude) and lets assume we know NOTHING about the damage piracy does (just to move out of that circle).. how do we reasonably protect our work?
4 criteria .. (a) no perpetual honor system, (b) does not include a 3rd party direct involvement (which can create complications), (c) can at least counter various casual piracy, and (d) that everyone can agree on
If ANYONE has a good answer.. lets hear it. Any suggestions at all?
Thanks..
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Post by JagdFlanker on Apr 20, 2019 6:01:51 GMT -6
instead of freaking out about something we havn't even tried or experienced yet, how about we see how it works out and move forward from there? NWS is obviously going monitor how it goes and take our comments and criticisms seriously so how about we give this a chance first, THEN freak out if it turns into a disaster (which i VERY HIGHLY doubt will happen)
if you hate DRM so much it will prevent you from purchasing the game, then there's nothing anybody can do about that and that's it
i want these developers to get the cash they deserve and this is the best route moving forward. NWS said we can install it on 2 machines which is cool, (i assume) we can install multiple copies on a single machine which is cool for modders, and i don't think people upgrade their computers so often that re-registering will become a constant pain
give it a chance!
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Post by William Miller on Apr 20, 2019 6:03:04 GMT -6
"You didn't answer my other questions on the playing part."
I believe we did but here they are again.. limited time frame but that is not set yet.
So you download and send over your install code that will prompt you, start playing, and the full unlock code will be emailed back.. done.
Thanks
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