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Post by garrisonchisholm on Feb 23, 2020 10:52:51 GMT -6
garrisonchisholm I can see it quite logical. If China wants Baltic states, going through Russia is the shortest path. I get it now. Of course, to the sons of the Khans a mere 4000 mile campaign across the heart of the steppes would be nothing. Brilliant!
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Post by aeson on Feb 24, 2020 3:40:51 GMT -6
Well, this is a bit unusual...
... a surprise attack (on Port Arthur, naturally - though a bit late, since it's the early morning of 19 December 1909 rather than the historical 8-9 February 1905) where Japan won the engagement but was out-shot by the defending Russians.
Also, credit where credit is due, Evstafi's gunners did an excellent job, scoring more than two thirds as many main battery hits as my three dreadnoughts put together - despite being the recipient of about a third of the main battery hits scored by the dreadnoughts and despite blowing up about an hour and a half before the engagement ended. I really hope Evstafi isn't indicative of the general quality of Russian gunnery, because if so I might be in for a rough war...
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Post by dorn on Feb 25, 2020 12:01:20 GMT -6
I don't really know if Focke-Wulf thought that it is waste of time to compete however all new prototypes are hardly better than 5 year old Fw 91D. Even 500 lb bomb the old Fw can deliver further than 2 prototypes and only torpedo range is something to think about but much higher max. speed, excellent toughness seems pretty good for torpedo runs.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Mar 1, 2020 22:22:04 GMT -6
So, as Germany I was designing a ship to be built with my ally England, they had some technologies I did not and of course it would be finished a bit sooner. However then I realized they did not have triple turrets- well, that cinches it, I'll have to settle for Q0 secondaries and regular directors and build them at home. I order the ships and lay down the first two of the class. Some months later I pause, wondering if... so I call up the yard and ask to see the blue-prints. Yup. England had had All or Nothing armor, aannd no-one happened to mention to me that I did not. So, those first two ships have flat-deck armor, and absolutely nothing but an 1/8th inch of steel-gray sheet-metal protecting the Belt and Deck Extended. ...and rather than halt construction, I simply didn't say anything. I wonder what the inquest will say when they come under fire for the first time...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 0:12:00 GMT -6
I think I may just let Italians enjoy their dominance over the Mediterranean sea while they are stuck in their ports Attachments:
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Post by Adseria on Mar 4, 2020 18:51:04 GMT -6
So, as Germany I was designing a ship to be built with my ally England, they had some technologies I did not and of course it would be finished a bit sooner. However then I realized they did not have triple turrets- well, that cinches it, I'll have to settle for Q0 secondaries and regular directors and build them at home. I order the ships and lay down the first two of the class. Some months later I pause, wondering if... so I call up the yard and ask to see the blue-prints. Yup. England had had All or Nothing armor, aannd no-one happened to mention to me that I did not. So, those first two ships have flat-deck armor, and absolutely nothing but an 1/8th inch of steel-gray sheet-metal protecting the Belt and Deck Extended. ...and rather than halt construction, I simply didn't say anything. I wonder what the inquest will say when they come under fire for the first time... Not necessarily a bad thing. It might at least encourage passthrough hits on those areas. Better than having just enough armour to arm the fuses
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Post by zardoz on Mar 5, 2020 2:18:58 GMT -6
garrisonchisholm I can see it quite logical. If China wants Baltic states, going through Russia is the shortest path. I get it now. Of course, to the sons of the Khans a mere 4000 mile campaign across the heart of the steppes would be nothing. Brilliant! That reminds me on an old joke on the Polish-Russian Rivalry:
God asks a Polish that he has thre wishes and what he wants. The Polish answers:" China should conquer Poland three times". "Why that", asks God. "Because then, they have to march through Russia three times."
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Post by aeson on Mar 12, 2020 15:10:18 GMT -6
250lb bombs are useless, right? The carrier above is one of the first two ships sunk solely by air attack this game (the other, Stalker, was also a British CVL which - like Bedford - was hit by a pair of air-dropped torpedoes; unlike Bedford, it was a purpose-built 13,000t 32-plane 29kn CVL with three 5" and eight 4" DP guns, and was lost to flooding rather than fire), both of which were sunk in a 29 October 1931 "carrier battle" that was mostly a gunnery engagement between four of my heavy cruisers and a British force of three battlecruisers, a heavy cruiser, and at least one light cruiser off Cape Cod, because between night and foul weather my three CVs and Britain's CV and four CVLs were mostly out of action during the engagement. Surprisingly, the only ship I lost was a 1,500t destroyer and the British battlecruisers were about as badly damaged as my heavy cruisers at the end of the engagement.
Rather ironically, the (Gloster) Gauntlet C is a British-designed dive bomber, is the only type of dive bomber deployed on either side in this engagement, and was deployed in significantly greater numbers by the US Navy (72) than by the British Royal Navy (45): It's also a fairly old design which was originally developed in 1926, with the C model itself dating to 1928 and licensed for production in the USA c.1930, and it appears that Britain has not yet developed a newer dive bomber; my first domestic dive bomber began entering service November 1931, the turn after this battle took place.
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Post by dorn on Mar 13, 2020 14:37:36 GMT -6
Just night battle, very short range.
First hit to my cruiser Emden by 5" shell. Shell went through the deck armour directly to magazine and ship blew up. Seems that magazine have not additional protection against splinters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 14:51:48 GMT -6
Just night battle, very short range. First hit to my cruiser Emden by 5" shell. Shell went through the deck armour directly to magazine and ship blew up. Seems that magazine have not additional protection against splinters.My night battle from tommorow: my BC fleet (3 french late-WW1 BCs, 2 CL, 6 DD) vs enemy WTF fleet (1 german superdreadnought, 1 CL, 5-10 DD), rainy night battle The battle lasted from tick 2 to tick 16, so only 14 minutes. No gunfire hits were scored by either side, but both side scored 2 torpedo hits. Each of my newest BCs were hit by a single torpedo from 1000yds distance, both were lightly damaged (torp def 2). My torpedoes scored a hit on enemy 1500t DD and instantly redistributed this ship over the battlefield, and one hit to enemy BB, which turned away and disappeared into the night. My BCs safely returned to base, just in time to be informed that they successfuly sunk enemy flagship...
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Post by dorn on Mar 14, 2020 4:03:50 GMT -6
I am in war with France in 1933. As I started as Germany in 1920 with the Treaty of Versailles and the Washington Naval Treaty I have only 6 modern battleships and 3 modern battlecruisers at start of this war. I have already 4 pre-dreadnoughts and was not unable to scrap them before new capital ships were commissioned. However at that time war was imminent and I decided not to scrap them if I have them so long.
During the war I win several engagement with French fleet, however as air power was quite a threat I decided to modernized my battleships as they were damaged during battle. After several battles I have had only 2 operational modern battleships so next battle my old 4 pre-dreadnoughts sailed on sea.
All of them were sunk during battle but just by small margin as my modern battleships and battlecruisers of main and scout force run out of ammunition unable to defend damaged old pre-dreadnoughts. My only reasonable force which can help was 2 battlecruisers escorting fleet carrier and about 20 aircraft still operational aboard carrier. But they were not able to get there in time and 2 my pre-dreadnoughts were sunk, another 2 mortally wounded and sunk after several hours.
So remaining question is. Were these 30 years pre-dreadnought helpful in battle or just going to be sunk. Answer is quite surprising there were vital part of my victory. Enemy force has 7 battlecruisers and 1 battleship. From these ships, only 3 were quite modern so even old 305 mm guns of pre-dreadnoughts were able to do some damage to French battlecruisers and they take fire from enemy battlecruisers which will otherwise take the 2 modern battleships. It was quite important as it allow my 2 modern battleships get only some about 10-15 heavy shells hits practically without effect of their fighting abilities. And these 2 modern battleship with 1 battlecruiser (heavily armed but only 3x3x280 mm guns) were able to sink 2 French battlecruisers and force several other ships to disengage from battle.
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Post by Adseria on Mar 14, 2020 5:51:51 GMT -6
250lb bombs are useless, right?
The carrier above is one of the first two ships sunk solely by air attack this game (the other, Stalker, was also a British CVL which - like Bedford - was hit by a pair of air-dropped torpedoes; unlike Bedford, it was a purpose-built 13,000t 32-plane 29kn CVL with three 5" and eight 4" DP guns, and was lost to flooding rather than fire), both of which were sunk in a 29 October 1931 "carrier battle" that was mostly a gunnery engagement between four of my heavy cruisers and a British force of three battlecruisers, a heavy cruiser, and at least one light cruiser off Cape Cod, because between night and foul weather my three CVs and Britain's CV and four CVLs were mostly out of action during the engagement. Surprisingly, the only ship I lost was a 1,500t destroyer and the British battlecruisers were about as badly damaged as my heavy cruisers at the end of the engagement.
Rather ironically, the (Gloster) Gauntlet C is a British-designed dive bomber, is the only type of dive bomber deployed on either side in this engagement, and was deployed in significantly greater numbers by the US Navy (72) than by the British Royal Navy (45):
It's also a fairly old design which was originally developed in 1926, with the C model itself dating to 1928 and licensed for production in the USA c.1930, and it appears that Britain has not yet developed a newer dive bomber; my first domestic dive bomber began entering service November 1931, the turn after this battle took place.
I was about to comment on how the Gauntlet is clearly not the only dive bomber in use because the US has a plane called "Dauntless." I need to play this game more
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Post by Adseria on Mar 17, 2020 4:54:34 GMT -6
This is probably the fairest battle I've ever fought.
I'm playing as Germany. It's May 1902, a few months into a war with Russia. The game offered me a destroyer action. I figured, since all of my destroyers are assigned to trade protection, it will give me a protected cruiser or two against a dozen or so destroyers, which I would happily take.
The enemy have 2 classes of destroyers, both legacy designs. The Boiki-class is the most numerous of the 2 (26 ships). It has 2x3" guns and 4 torpedo tubes. The Blestyashchi-class (11 ships) has 1x3", 4x2" and 2 torpedo tubes. Both classes are capable of 27kn.
I have one class of 49 destroyers (build 15 destroyers or else!). They were designed as TP ships; 300t, 1x3", 1 torpedo tube, only 25kn. Pretty minimal, to keep costs down.
One of my destroyers, vs (at least) 13 enemy destroyers, each of which is individually superior, and I can't run away because they're all faster, too.
Hey, at least I sank a merchant before they found me...
EDIT: Make that "I have one class of 48 destroyers." (grumblegrumblegrumble)
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Post by Adseria on Mar 17, 2020 9:38:54 GMT -6
The Fürst Bismarck Just took a torpedo. So, naturally, I decided to detach her and send her home at low speed.
You know how the game automatically sets a course for home when you manually detach a ship? Well, why did the game decide this was the best way back to Germany?
I mean, obviously I'm going to be taking manual control of her anyway (she is in the middle of a major cruiser battle, after all), I was just curious as to how the game made this decision.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Mar 17, 2020 17:59:32 GMT -6
The Fürst Bismarck Just took a torpedo. So, naturally, I decided to detach her and send her home at low speed.
You know how the game automatically sets a course for home when you manually detach a ship? Well, why did the game decide this was the best way back to Germany?
I mean, obviously I'm going to be taking manual control of her anyway (she is in the middle of a major cruiser battle, after all), I was just curious as to how the game made this decision. That is a mystery.
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