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Post by dorn on Apr 20, 2020 13:26:39 GMT -6
Me 125 was first flown in 1926. Quite impressive fighter as even after 7 years it can easily fight the most modern prototypes.
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Post by dorn on Apr 20, 2020 14:06:17 GMT -6
My old light cruiser from beginning of 20s with 5x6" single mounts was intercepted by 1 knot faster heavy cruiser. When my wreck (all guns destroyed and fires raging) fire last torpedo salvo and found the target. Heavy cruiser try to escape however she sunk on horizon. My wreck sunk after being abandoned after 3 hours of fire fighting.
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Post by dorn on Apr 23, 2020 15:06:56 GMT -6
How 1 dud bomb can sink a cruiser.
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Post by aeson on Apr 23, 2020 15:11:52 GMT -6
The French Navy picked a bad day for a cruise off Truk with two capital ships - they ran into four of my fast battleships (two 3x3x15" 47,000-tonners commissioned 1930 and two 2x4x15" 46,500-tonners commissioned 1927), an older 3x2x14" battlecruiser... and my entire carrier fleet (two 100-plane CVs, four 34-plane CVLs - yes, it's not much, but it's only 1934). Which, at present, hosts 220 torpedo bombers.
The battleship Suffren had the ill grace to blow up before my bombers could get involved, but the battlecruiser Dupleix was more ... accommodating:
Edit: You're really on a roll, today, France: That's an 1899 protected cruiser that just hammered your 1920s 10" heavy cruiser. I know it was night and short range, but still...
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Post by aeson on Apr 23, 2020 19:47:46 GMT -6
A few thousand yards maximum is an excellent engagement range for a 1934 cruiser engagement in broad daylight with 18,000 yards visibility, don't you think, Pothuau? Are you still there, Pothuau? I can't quite tell under all the explosions...
Later war, this time against Germany: I know I ordered you to make a bunch of bombing attacks last battle, but... You guys are fighter pilots - you know that, right?
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Post by director on Apr 23, 2020 23:36:28 GMT -6
Officer on 'Juneau' hears order to open fire, cues chain saw soundtrack on PA.
Officer on 'Pothau' says, "Yes, keep firing at the merchantmen, Jean. They are just light cruisers. Our secondaries will..."
"Sacre bleu et nom du chien! What the perdition is THAT..."
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Post by captainloggy on Apr 24, 2020 0:36:06 GMT -6
I think these French CAs are just a lot of noise about nothing.
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Post by rimbecano on Apr 24, 2020 4:35:50 GMT -6
How 1 dud bomb can sink a cruiser. It didn't. Between "Leaks in heavy structure increase flooding" and "shipping water in heavy seas", it's quite plain that the ship was simply a worn-down unseaworthy rustbucket that didn't need any help to sink in a storm. Note that the first indication of any trouble in the log is four and a half hours after the bomb hit.
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Post by director on Apr 24, 2020 5:15:52 GMT -6
I would draw a parallel to USS Oglala, which sank at Pearl Harbor from blast damage from a near-miss. Or to the AA cruiser that took a bomb through the deck and out the bottom... it did not explode but I'm sure it let a lot of water in.
The AI does tend to drive ships at full speed until they founder - I wish this could be corrected.
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Post by dorn on Apr 24, 2020 7:29:11 GMT -6
How 1 dud bomb can sink a cruiser. It didn't. Between "Leaks in heavy structure increase flooding" and "shipping water in heavy seas", it's quite plain that the ship was simply a worn-down unseaworthy rustbucket that didn't need any help to sink in a storm. Note that the first indication of any trouble in the log is four and a half hours after the bomb hit. Progressive flooding did only about 2500 flooding points, not so much. She certainly was worn-down but without the hit she would be fine.
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Post by secondcomingofzeno on Apr 24, 2020 9:47:20 GMT -6
Shouldn't a dud 1400lb bomb overpen a cruiser and thus flood the rooms it passes through?
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Post by akosjaccik on Apr 24, 2020 12:41:01 GMT -6
I mean it's the soviets we are talking about in '22, so I'm not _that_ surprised that the "watertight" bulkheads and doors didn't exactly do a stellar job at the only thing they are expected to do.
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Post by rob06waves2018 on Apr 24, 2020 14:56:49 GMT -6
A few thousand yards maximum is an excellent engagement range for a 1934 cruiser engagement in broad daylight with 18,000 yards visibility, don't you think, Pothuau? Are you still there, Pothuau? I can't quite tell under all the explosions...
To be fair, that Bruix class design is absolutely appalling. It's all very well and good having a 31 kt top speed but when you have only a 4.5" belt and six 10" guns, you haven't a hope in hell against anything bigger than a moderately-sized CL. The crew may as well fit a permanent white flag because it's infinitely better than the alternative! Edit: That's a 1921 design??? The design committee obviously needs air holes drilled into their skulls!
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Post by aeson on Apr 24, 2020 15:55:28 GMT -6
To be fair, that Bruix class design is absolutely appalling. It's all very well and good having a 31 kt top speed but when you have only a 4.5" belt and six 10" guns, you haven't a hope in hell against anything bigger than a moderately-sized CL. The crew may as well fit a permanent white flag because it's infinitely better than the alternative! Six 10" guns is an adequate if minimal armament for engaging other heavy cruisers and is more than sufficient against light cruisers - though for that a greater number of lighter guns would probably preferable - and while a 4.5" armor belt is inadequate at best against typical heavy cruisers much past the predreadnought era, it still ought to have been sufficient against the 6" guns on my light cruisers, considering that this was a daytime fair weather engagement with about 18,000 yards visibility and my New Havens are three knots slower (design speed 28 knots) than Pothuau was.
Regardless, the amusing part of that engagement, to me, is not that Pothuau lost - that's a fairly normal occurrence when two of my CLs go up against one of the computer's CAs and don't get crippled by unlucky hits while closing in - but that an engagement fought in 1934 in broad daylight (time zone was UTC+10, so that's a mid-day engagement according to the time stamps in the logs) with 18,000-yard visibility by ships armed with guns that can shoot 15,000 yards or more and having the fire control systems to take advantage of that range was fought mostly at around 2,000-4,000 yards.
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Post by dorn on Apr 25, 2020 2:09:10 GMT -6
I do not think she is bad design, her speed of 31 knots is very fast for 1921 ship. At that time going over 30 knots is quite expensive. When I start in 1920, I usually build such cruiser, however slower and about 9000 knots to save weight. Question is if she has AoN armour at all.
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