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Post by pashahlis on Jun 6, 2019 15:15:42 GMT -6
I mean, obviously Heavy are like 105 and 150mm guns and so on, but I mean in terms of ingame stats and performance.
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Post by dorn on Jun 6, 2019 15:41:56 GMT -6
I mean, obviously Heavy are like 105 and 150mm guns and so on, but I mean in terms of ingame stats and performance. In game:
Heavy AA - due to range are shared between ships
Medium AA - only for defence of local ship - medium range Light AA - light but they have disadvantage that fast aicraft can release ordnance before being hit by them
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Post by dizzy on Jun 6, 2019 16:09:08 GMT -6
Heavy AA are DP guns/super-heavy AA shells?
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Post by brygun on Jun 6, 2019 16:53:00 GMT -6
Heavy AA are DP guns/super-heavy AA shells? I believe so. Gun quality and autoloader seem to affect how much HAA you get for a given size of DP gun. AA fire control probably does to. As mentioned already HAA combines from all ships in the area from DD to BB and CV. Mounted by option on the central guns tab. MAA is the local ship and processes before weapon release. Generally referenced in tech tree as 40mm. Mounted under the additional weapons tab to the right after hitting the <> button at least once. LAA seems to trigger after weapon release. Generally referenced in tech tree as 20mm or AA MG. Mounted under the additional weapons tab to the right after hitting the <> button at least once. |
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Post by bcoopactual on Jun 6, 2019 17:38:51 GMT -6
Heavy AA are DP guns/super-heavy AA shells? I believe so. Gun quality and autoloader seem to affect how much HAA you get for a given size of DP gun. AA fire control probably does to. As mentioned already HAA combines from all ships in the area from DD to BB and CV. Mounted by option on the central guns tab. MAA is the local ship and processes before weapon release. Generally referenced in tech tree as 40mm. Mounted under the additional weapons tab to the right after hitting the <> button at least once. LAA seems to trigger after weapon release. Generally referenced in tech tree as 20mm or AA MG. Mounted under the additional weapons tab to the right after hitting the <> button at least once. The manual states that LAA fire can occur before or after weapon release depending on a random roll that is modified by the attacking plane's speed. The faster the plane the more likely it will get it's weapons released prior to. The disruption effect of LAA always happens before weapon release though so they are still affecting the accuracy of the attack even if they don't hit until after weapon release. One of the many reasons the dive bombers were so devastating at Midway. The Japanese relied too much on the Type 96 25-mm for anti-aircraft protection.  Credit: Jon Parshall, Shattered Sword |
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Post by deeznuts on Jun 6, 2019 17:56:33 GMT -6
The Japanese really suffered due to their crappy AA guns, though tbf its to be expected since they got the AA guns after they were rejected by the French, and when even the French think something is not good enough to go on a ship you know something is seriously wrong with it.
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Post by orkel on Jun 6, 2019 19:13:04 GMT -6
Mid and late game AA you can basically skip light AA entirely. Go heavy AA (DP guns of 4-5 inch caliber) and fill your remaining deck spaces with all medium AA + 4 AA directors.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jun 6, 2019 19:33:21 GMT -6
The Japanese really suffered due to their crappy AA guns, though tbf its to be expected since they got the AA guns after they were rejected by the French, and when even the French think something is not good enough to go on a ship you know something is seriously wrong with it. I'm not sure someone from France would think this is fair, but it made me chuckle all the same. I especially love the story of the Northrop XFT-2. Version 1 and 2 were both rejected by the US Navy, but they had sunk so much investment into them that they wanted a buyer. The Japanese said "sure we'll give it a go", which would have been 1937-ish (I think?) and they were actually able to sell the prototypes to the IJN. The Imperial Navy put a test pilot in it and his first reaction was "#&$ get me out of this thing," and labeled a virtual deathtrap the planes were immediately junked. ^.^ |
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Post by deeznuts on Jun 6, 2019 19:46:23 GMT -6
The French are the ones responsible for the tumble home predreads.
Their entire navy just collectively decided to not use their brains for several decades
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Post by bcoopactual on Jun 6, 2019 19:56:46 GMT -6
The French are the ones responsible for the tumble home predreads. Their entire navy just collectively decided to not use their brains for several decades To be fair, I think it was the constant political instability following their defeat in the 1870 Franco-Prussian war. No one party could keep in control and so you constantly had political leaders come to the naval service and undo what their predecessor had done to implement their own strategy. No consistency in strategic direction, ship design or leadership. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 6, 2019 21:49:16 GMT -6
The Japanese really suffered due to their crappy AA guns, though tbf its to be expected since they got the AA guns after they were rejected by the French, and when even the French think something is not good enough to go on a ship you know something is seriously wrong with it. I'm not sure someone from France would think this is fair, but it made me chuckle all the same. I especially love the story of the Northrop XFT-2. Version 1 and 2 were both rejected by the US Navy, but they had sunk so much investment into them that they wanted a buyer. The Japanese said "sure we'll give it a go", which would have been 1937-ish (I think?) and they were actually able to sell the prototypes to the IJN. The Imperial Navy put a test pilot in it and his first reaction was "#&$ get me out of this thing," and labeled a virtual deathtrap the planes were immediately junked. ^.^ Interestingly, the engineer who designed the XFT- 2 was the same man who designed the A4 Skyhawk, or as we called it- Heinemann's Hot Rod. |
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Jun 6, 2019 21:56:24 GMT -6
Do Tell! Well, for all I have read about the XFT-2 I am surprised I missed that one. A treasure trove of tidbits again Pops, thanks!
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jun 6, 2019 22:10:53 GMT -6
Do Tell! Well, for all I have read about the XFT-2 I am surprised I missed that one. A treasure trove of tidbits again Pops, thanks! More tibits, John McCain was shot down flying an A4E and he was also on board the Forrestal when a Zuni Rocket from an F-4 touched off a fire on board. He climbed out of the cockpit, and jumped off of the fuel probe. BTW, he was hit by a SAM-2 missile and lost his wing, punched out and was captured. His father and grandfather's were both admirals. His grandfather was the land based air operations commander on Guadalcanal. His dad was a submarine commander. Interesting family. |
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