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Post by Warspite on Oct 16, 2020 20:05:07 GMT -6
Just re-read this thread and it's sad that so many ships which should have been preserved for their respective nations were not.
I will let the thread run a while longer but I am aiming for some poll/vote at some point.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the thread so far.
Let's keep it going...
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Post by babylon218 on Oct 20, 2020 15:16:29 GMT -6
HMS Rodney. I know they were hideous, but honestly just for the innovations and novelties in their design the Nelson-Class should be considered, and Rodney gave absolutely sterling service throughout WWII from giving Bismark an absolute caning to bombarding the Normandy coast.
Another one that IMO should get an honourable mention is USS Maryland (BB-46). I have a soft-spot for the Colorado-Class, and Maryland not only survived Pearl Harbour, but participated in the Battle of Midway as one of the support ships, Battle of Tarawa, Battle of Kwajalein, Battle of Saipan, Battle of Leyte Gulf, and the Battle of Okinawa, receiving seven battle stars, the same as Nevada. Yes, Nevada took a lot more damage at Pearl, but it's worth remembering that Oklahoma's Hull shielded Maryland from the initial Japanese torpedo attack, unlike Nevada which was hit. Furthermore, the reason Nevada took so much bomb damage was because, as the only ship in Battleship Row not penned in by or moored to another battleship and so able to manoeuvre, the Japanese focused there attacks on her to sink her in the channel (which likely saved Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Maryland by drawing off Japanese fire). Maryland got 'lucky'. And luck is a sailor's best friend after rum, and the cat.
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Post by smrfisher on Oct 22, 2020 11:57:51 GMT -6
HMS Rodney. I know they were hideous. Wash your mouth out Sir, they were, and indeed are lovely. A simple clean design which belies their potency.
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Post by babylon218 on Oct 22, 2020 12:00:20 GMT -6
HMS Rodney. I know they were hideous. Wash your mouth out Sir, they were, and indeed are lovely. A simple clean design which belies their potency. Ah, that's why they were nicknamed Rodnol and Nelsol!
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Post by smrfisher on Oct 22, 2020 15:23:31 GMT -6
Wash your mouth out Sir, they were, and indeed are lovely. A simple clean design which belies their potency. Ah, that's why they were nicknamed Rodnol and Nelsol! I'm mean they are some of the least disparaging nicknames the RN came up with for ships of the era. The Courageous-class, and HMS Glamorgan to name a couple of the more amusing.
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Post by dallan007 on Oct 24, 2020 22:41:34 GMT -6
USS Washington for her fight at Guadalcanal. The only American battleship to solo an entire task force after SoDak and the escorting DD's were out of action. She showed what the new BB's could do when they got a chance.
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Post by Warspite on Oct 25, 2020 18:10:20 GMT -6
HMS Rodney. I know they were hideous, but honestly just for the innovations and novelties in their design the Nelson-Class should be considered, and Rodney gave absolutely sterling service throughout WWII from giving Bismark an absolute caning to bombarding the Normandy coast. Another one that IMO should get an honourable mention is USS Maryland (BB-46). I have a soft-spot for the Colorado-Class, and Maryland not only survived Pearl Harbour, but participated in the Battle of Midway as one of the support ships, Battle of Tarawa, Battle of Kwajalein, Battle of Saipan, Battle of Leyte Gulf, and the Battle of Okinawa, receiving seven battle stars, the same as Nevada. Yes, Nevada took a lot more damage at Pearl, but it's worth remembering that Oklahoma's Hull shielded Maryland from the initial Japanese torpedo attack, unlike Nevada which was hit. Furthermore, the reason Nevada took so much bomb damage was because, as the only ship in Battleship Row not penned in by or moored to another battleship and so able to manoeuvre, the Japanese focused there attacks on her to sink her in the channel (which likely saved Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Maryland by drawing off Japanese fire). Maryland got 'lucky'. And luck is a sailor's best friend after rum, and the cat. I genuinely like Rodney and Nelson. As warships they were aesthetically beautiful IMO.
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Post by Warspite on Nov 20, 2020 21:48:32 GMT -6
I think this thread has run it's course. I will go through it and come up with a poll. We will be democratic and let the people decide. No lawyers needed.
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Post by tordenskjold on Jan 22, 2021 16:37:23 GMT -6
I'm really surprised to see that IJN Nagato wasn't mentioned explicitly. For her time, she really was a huge advance, beating the US Colorado class in terms of mobility and thus offering a much more modern approach. Obviously, she must have also been more than a match for more recent designs such as the North Carolina and KGV classes. So, well, I think it's fair to say the she in a way was ahead of her time. And I still admire her for withstanding both WWII and the Crossroads test...
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Post by oldpop2000 on Jan 22, 2021 17:11:38 GMT -6
I'm really surprised to see that IJN Nagato wasn't mentioned explicitly. For her time, she really was a huge advance, beating the US Colorado class in terms of mobility and thus offering a much more modern approach. Obviously, she must have also been more than a match for more recent designs such as the North Carolina and KGV classes. So, well, I think it's fair to say the she in a way was ahead of her time. And I still admire her for withstanding both WWII and the Crossroads test... Well, actually while she did survive Test Baker, she had a severe list and eventually sank five days later. My dad stated that she was a real wreck when they entered the lagoon. She was too radioactive to get aboard, so they had to let her sink.
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Post by talbot797 on Feb 3, 2021 8:54:19 GMT -6
I'm late on this, but I would plump for Warspite - which earned the most battle honours of any ship in the Royal Navy. For greatest battleship, I think you have to look at how much it actually battled, which with Warspite was a lot. Then followed by IJN Nagato. First super-dreadnought to mount 16" guns and never sunk in battle, surely the model to be followed by all battleships until the end.
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Post by euchrejack on Feb 9, 2021 11:20:51 GMT -6
I'm really surprised to see that IJN Nagato wasn't mentioned explicitly. For her time, she really was a huge advance, beating the US Colorado class in terms of mobility and thus offering a much more modern approach. Obviously, she must have also been more than a match for more recent designs such as the North Carolina and KGV classes. So, well, I think it's fair to say the she in a way was ahead of her time. And I still admire her for withstanding both WWII and the Crossroads test... Well, actually while she did survive Test Baker, she had a severe list and eventually sank five days later. My dad stated that she was a real wreck when they entered the lagoon. She was too radioactive to get aboard, so they had to let her sink. Well, my vote is going for the IJN Nagato. Any battleship that can survive getting Nuked (even barely) is the Queen of the Sea in my book.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Feb 9, 2021 11:59:29 GMT -6
Well, actually while she did survive Test Baker, she had a severe list and eventually sank five days later. My dad stated that she was a real wreck when they entered the lagoon. She was too radioactive to get aboard, so they had to let her sink. Well, my vote is going for the IJN Nagato. Any battleship that can survive getting Nuked (even barely) is the Queen of the Sea in my book. Here is the location of the ships at Test Baker, #7 was Nagato. Nagato did not survive the Baker blast, she now sits upside down on position #7.
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Post by euchrejack on Feb 9, 2021 12:45:57 GMT -6
Well, my vote is going for the IJN Nagato. Any battleship that can survive getting Nuked (even barely) is the Queen of the Sea in my book. Here is the location of the ships at Test Baker, #7 was Nagato. View AttachmentNagato did not survive the Baker blast, she now sits upside down on position #7. How far was she from the blast center point? EDIT: Nevermind, I see that it was 770 yards.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Feb 9, 2021 13:02:37 GMT -6
Here is the location of the ships at Test Baker, #7 was Nagato. View AttachmentNagato did not survive the Baker blast, she now sits upside down on position #7. How far was she from the blast center point? EDIT: Nevermind, I see that it was 770 yards. Test Able she was 1640 yards away. Test Baker she was 950 yards. You might find this document interesting. I have the original Operations Crossroads pictorial book along short snorters (payment issues) and special envelope. www.dtra.mil/Portals/61/Documents/NTPR/2-Hist_Rpt_Atm/1946_DNA_6032F.pdf
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