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Post by MateDow on Apr 11, 2019 22:24:06 GMT -6
Are you interested over year 1925? I have never played after 1925 as it seems to me that closing year 1925 game starts not be good at managing it. And release of RTW2 will be probably in the same time.
I am interested if you are still wanting to continue. Often what I do is play past 1925 if I am at war, and then I play until the end of the war. There are also times where I am having so much fun with the designs that I continue on just for the fun.
As with a lot of things in this game, it depends on where your interests lay. If you like playing in an era of big battleships equipped with guns that will punch through any armor, or large heavily armed light cruisers and destroyers, then keep going. On the other hand, if you like close in slugging matches, post-1925 won't be very interesting.
How's that for a very long no answer?
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Post by MateDow on Apr 11, 2019 22:30:43 GMT -6
...I am right now thinking about using destroyers vs. minesweepers as ASW. I am loosing more than 0.5 minsweepers per month which is 400k per month. I have just built new minesweeper for 860k and just try to create minimum design for destroyer and I was able to design it withing 800k budget. So it seems that small destryoyers can be quite interesting alternative. Here is a "cheap" design that I use. A little more than a minesweeper, but DDs are more capable in ASW roles and I don't have to worry about spontaneous scrapping. I have also done versions that have only a single gun forward and twin torpedo tubes to really make the minimum. I just fear that they might show up as a destroyer in a scenario and at least want them to have some self-defense capability.
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Post by dorn on Apr 12, 2019 0:30:44 GMT -6
COMPETITION 1919/14/BB - 1 fast battleship- all forward guns arrangement is prohibited for role-playing purposes till 1920 note: there is no request but the ships role is flag ship of the fleet which can operate separetely to hunt enemy capital ships in case no battlecruiser is near
GENERAL CONDITIONS:- any shipyard can provide up to 3 designs (the third design need to distinguish itself from the first two designs) - any shipyard will provide design picture and design file (*.40d) - any shipyard are recommended to provide explanation of design futures Evaluation will be done based on overall firepower, protection, speed and costs. Deadline for proposals - the 16th of April however I close the competition as soon as I get your designs. If you need more time, just mentioned it. note for calculation of broadside (b) and turret firepower (f) f1, f2, f3, f4 ... turrets firepower b = f1+f2+f3+f4 fi = q * k * n * c ^ 3 for each turret n ... number of guns in turret c ... guns caliber k = 1 for double turret, k = 0.95 for triple turret q = 1 for Q0 guns, 0.9 for Q-1 guns, 1.1 for Q+1 guns
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Post by dorn on Apr 12, 2019 0:37:37 GMT -6
Thanks for the answers. I will very likely play to either end of 1925 or last war. I enjoy it quite a lot but I am a little suprised as Germany has much smaller available fleet (without colonial stations requirement) even if their budget are for long time almost same as UK. I thought that another nations will close the gap even more but if I compare situation of Royal Navy at 1900 to 1919, the situation of 1919 is much better as Royal Navy has largest fleet of capital ships and the largest fleet of cruisers by large margin except Russia but their cruisers are outdated. The second thing is RTW2, I do not beleive that I will enjoy it more thant RT2.
Relating construction program, I choose battleship to be constructed and after several months I will make competition or cruisers but firstly I want to have some reserve in budget to allow me build more than 1 or 2 cruisers.
Relating to destroyers/mineswepers I will use actual fleet as 30 minesweepers and 20 old destroyers should be sufficient, just thinking that another batch of 6 modern destroyers could be handy later.
Relating to scrapping ships, your advice aeson is sound but I mothball two old battlecruisers as it costs small amount of money and give me heavy units which could be used as reserve or help to invade enemy territory. It is more costly than battleships but more adaptable.
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Post by MateDow on Apr 12, 2019 1:31:03 GMT -6
Can you give a minimum speed that you consider a "fast battleship?"
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Post by dorn on Apr 12, 2019 4:35:56 GMT -6
Can you give a minimum speed that you consider a "fast battleship?" There is none. But fastest battleship is French Tourville. I will consider speed slightly higher speed as still interesting if sacrifice in protection is not too high. As long as firepower and protection is in balance I will take speed as quite advantage. I expect that firing distance could be around 15-20,000 yards. For protection I consider protection against 15" guns as balanced even if ship has higher caliber main guns (the reason is that ship would probably never faced 16" guns).
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Post by aeson on Apr 12, 2019 10:20:19 GMT -6
Balsa Construction is pleased to present for the Admiralty's consideration the following fast battleship proposals: 1919/14/BB.1: King George V A somewhat-slower but better-armored derivative of our Indefatigable-class battlecruiser, King George V carries nine 15" guns in three triple turrets, two in a superfiring pair forwards and one aft, and is armored to resist 15" gunfire between roughly 15,000 and 18,000 yards. An enlarged secondary battery of eighteen 5" guns in six triple turrets provides ample protection against destroyer attack, though an improved torpedo protection system has nevertheless been provided as a final safeguard for the ship.
1919/14/BB.2: Queen Elizabeth A more traditional battleship configuration, Queen Elizabeth carries eight 15" guns in four twin turrets arrayed in fore-and-aft superfiring pairs. Heavier deck armor increases Queen Elizabeth's zone of immunity to between about 15,000 and 20,000 yards while an improved torpedo protection system provides defense against underwater weaponry and a secondary battery of eighteen 5" guns in six triple turrets wards the ship against destroyer attack.
1919/14/BB.3: King Edward VII King Edward VII is our most economical proposal, slightly slower than King George V and Queen Elizabeth at 24 knots and armed with six 15" guns in three twin turrets, a superfiring pair forward and one turret aft. A potent secondary battery of no fewer than twenty-four 5" guns in eight triple turrets, complemented by a further twelve 4" guns mounted in groups of three en barbette, provides significant defense against against destroyer assault while a comprehensive underwater protection system safeguards the ship against torpedoes and mines.
Attachments:Proposals.zip (97.11 KB)
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Post by kch on Apr 15, 2019 11:53:28 GMT -6
If you are willing to participate in next competition you are welcome.
I will have to practise a bit before that My "Kongens Orlogsvaerft" from Copenhagen would be a bit overmatched against the ships presented here
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Post by yemo on Apr 15, 2019 15:07:21 GMT -6
I m not completely back, but I can participate in this competition.
Beardmore Shipbuilding is excited to present 3 BB designs:
Pallas A With heavily armoured 3*3*15'' turrets, a citadel immunity zone from 15k - 20k yards against her own guns and a speed of 25 knots, Pallas A is a well rounded fast battleship. The conning tower is protected against DD, cruiser and secondary rapid gun fire and a second generation torpedo protection system increases survivability against DDs.
Pallas B
The B version of Pallas is designed to keep up with our older battlecruisers and is otherwise equal to the Pallas A variant.
Pegasos
A maximum of broadside firepower for a given speed of 25knots is the focus of this design. Her 11*15'' guns overpower every other vessel afloat. While she is less armoured than Pallas, only France can build 15''Q0 guns, and they seem to prefer battleships with a 9.5'' armour belt .
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Post by dorn on Apr 16, 2019 4:39:10 GMT -6
Thanks for the designs, there are some interesting designs. yemo, I hope everythings for you go well.
You can try. You can compare with other other after, you can ask why members design ship as that etc.
Do you need more time?
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Post by noshurviverse on Apr 16, 2019 13:20:41 GMT -6
Ah, my apologies but I've got to step out of the design contests. Might be able to come back some time later if you go to 1950.
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Post by MateDow on Apr 16, 2019 23:59:55 GMT -6
Buchanan Iron Works has the honour of presenting the following designs for their Lordship's consideration. Battleship H - This design utilized the new Royal Gun Factory 16-inch/45 in triple turrets to counter all foreign battleships while utilising a new high-power steam plant for superior speed. A heavy 4.5-inch secondary battery gives defence against destroyer attack. Even with this high speed, this ship is provided with a heavy armour suite superior to foreign designs. Battleship I - This heavily armed ship sacrifices some armoured protection, but is armed with a very-heavy battery of the new Vickers 16.5-inch/45 guns backed by an equally heavy secondary battery of Mk. XII 6-inch/45 guns mounted in twin turrets. Even with her heavy armament and armour, this ship is capable of operating tactically with our older battlecruisers on foreign stations or in home waters. Battleship J - A smaller battleship design; this design uses the Mk. II 15-inch/45 gun arming our current generation of battlecruisers. Utilising the weight freed up through a smaller propulsion plant made possible by her smaller size, this ship duplicates the armour arrangement of Battleship I, but with heavier deck armour. BATTLESHIPHIJ.ZIP (103.27 KB)
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Post by MateDow on Apr 17, 2019 0:00:15 GMT -6
Sorry for the delay. Weekends are always busy.
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Post by dorn on Apr 17, 2019 0:05:52 GMT -6
Ah, my apologies but I've got to step out of the design contests. Might be able to come back some time later if you go to 1950. I will probably not. Never mind, thanks for your participating and good luck to prepare everything to RTW2.
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Post by dorn on Apr 17, 2019 0:06:28 GMT -6
Sorry for the delay. Weekends are always busy. Do not be sorry, we are doing it for fun. There is no need to rush.
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