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Post by trifler on Jun 20, 2019 21:53:11 GMT -6
Designs that are 10 years old or more get an "O" in parenthesis next to them to indicate that they're old. A refit removes this symbol. I've been told that ships marked as old receive a debuff to all stats. Is this true? It seems to me it could simply be a notification to the player. I don't see anything about it in the manual.
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Post by akosjaccik on Jun 21, 2019 3:15:58 GMT -6
Old/obsolete ships have higher maintenance costs, and you can run into issues with them in battles, such as decreased speed, because "her old engines are acting up", or with damage control, "aging structure increases leaking" etc.
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Post by dorn on Jun 21, 2019 3:28:56 GMT -6
Old/obsolete ships have higher maintenance costs, and you can run into issues with them in battles, such as decreased speed, because "her old engines are acting up", or with damage control, "aging structure increases leaking" etc. "O" does not increase maintenance costs. With rest I agree.
Another thing is that as armour technology progress, older ship has worse quality armour and as "gun data" does provide penetration with actual armour technology, older ships have less protection and you need to expect having thicker armour to provide same protection.
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Post by akosjaccik on Jun 21, 2019 4:00:57 GMT -6
"O" does not increase maintenance costs. With rest I agree. You seem to be right, maybe I was remembering the Corvettes, not ships in general?
EDIT: After testing it a bit more in-depth, it seems that wartime maintenance is not affected, but in peactime it does indeed differ:
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Post by fleet5 on Jun 21, 2019 4:12:30 GMT -6
"O" does increase maintenance. When playing with colonial powers, I would say it's sometimes economical to build new ships than keep refitting old ones since foreign station costs so much.
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Post by dorn on Jun 21, 2019 4:50:16 GMT -6
"O" does not increase maintenance costs. With rest I agree. You seem to be right, maybe I was remembering the Corvettes, not ships in general?
EDIT: After testing it a bit more in-depth, it seems that wartime maintenance is not affected, but in peactime it does indeed differ:
I will look at it as I do not remember that capital ship have increased maintenance being (O). |
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Post by elouda on Jun 21, 2019 5:04:04 GMT -6
Both of the increases in those screenshots come from being in a non-home region.
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Post by akosjaccik on Jun 21, 2019 5:11:45 GMT -6
Both of the increases in those screenshots come from being in a non-home region. No, check the Numakaze. |
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Post by rodentnavy on Jun 21, 2019 5:15:18 GMT -6
One source of confusion may come from the fact that refits (at least the fire one) frequently lower the maintenance costs of ships. Which for certain navies can be a good reason for going ahead with them by itself.
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Post by elouda on Jun 21, 2019 5:43:37 GMT -6
Both of the increases in those screenshots come from being in a non-home region. No, check the Numakaze. Numakaze is showing the O and is in the home region, so should by your claim have a higher maintenance. It doesnt, because unlike Namikaze etc. its in the home region which is whats causing those to have 12 instead of 10 cost. |
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Post by akosjaccik on Jun 21, 2019 6:07:25 GMT -6
Numakaze is showing the O and is in the home region, so should by your claim have a higher maintenance. It doesnt, because unlike Namikaze etc. its in the home region which is whats causing those to have 12 instead of 10 cost. You are correct, I apologize. |
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Post by jorgencab on Jun 21, 2019 6:15:27 GMT -6
I have not found that maintenance cost increase on older ships but you usually lower the maintenance cost after a refit since the new equipment and engines are cheaper in maintenance than the older stuff.
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Post by dorn on Jun 21, 2019 9:37:23 GMT -6
However very old ships should be less effective in ASW in RTW1. If it is modelled in RTW2, I do not know.
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Post by jma286 on Jun 21, 2019 10:15:16 GMT -6
However very old ships should be less effective in ASW in RTW1. If it is modelled in RTW2, I do not know. Isn't that modeled fairly well already since old ships have inferior guns (usually), worse engines and lower-quality armor? I don't think it's necessary to assign an additional debuff to elderly vessels beyond their own obsolescence. Edit: Sorry, I didn't see that you specifically were only talking about ASW. My post applies only generally. |
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Post by klavohunter on Jun 21, 2019 12:12:58 GMT -6
Kinda a pain in the butt when you have to leave old BCs un-refit so they stay battlecruiser-y instead of transforming into BBs.
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