euchrejack
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Post by euchrejack on Aug 5, 2019 20:32:09 GMT -6
Playing a Confederate States of America game just so I could build Merrimack's successor!
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Post by klavohunter on Aug 5, 2019 23:47:48 GMT -6
Yes, yesss, let the hate flow through you!!!
Just remember that you're playing the bad guys.
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Post by plattfuss on Aug 6, 2019 5:20:36 GMT -6
This might be a bit of a simplistic perspective on history, my dear klavohunter?
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Post by dohboy on Aug 6, 2019 7:32:44 GMT -6
He's just getting with the black and white spirit of the times. Reconstruction would be impossible today rather than merely extremely difficult. Probably end up with a guillotine next to the Washington Monument.
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Post by kriegsmeister on Aug 6, 2019 7:58:40 GMT -6
Merrimack? Oh you mean the CSS Virginia
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Post by director on Aug 6, 2019 8:27:05 GMT -6
From 'back in the day' I remember all the flame wars over commanding German forces in WW2 versus espousing Nazism. Please let us keep the Confederate wargaming separate from the COnfederate ideology...
I was born and raised in the South and spent my entire adult life in the Deep South (Mississippi, Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama). I don't like or share the values of the old Confederates... but I do sometimes enjoy commanding a Confederate ironclad, touring the Gettysburg battlefield and reading up on Lee and his generals. The one - wargaming - does not imply that I embrace the values of the side I pick in a game.
I trust the same is true here... otherwise, we'll have to give up the hobby as there were objectionable acts committed by every army, navy and government in the history of man.
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Post by dohboy on Aug 6, 2019 9:25:13 GMT -6
My grandfather was a machine-gunner in the 101st in WW2. When I was 8 I asked a very poor and insultingly phrased question about how many of the evil Germans he killed. He proceeded to tell me how he was a 2nd generation German-American, and that he spent many a long night looking over the piles he had made of people who he very easily could have been fighting alongside, or been fishing with if the world hadn't gone crazy. "Sometimes you get caught in the gears".
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Post by director on Aug 6, 2019 11:13:54 GMT -6
My father fought in the Philippines in WW2. He didn't like to talk about it, but I do remember him saying that fighting the Japanese, and being attacked while taking a surrender or or offering food and medical care, led Allied soldiers to adopt a 'kill first and ask no questions later' policy. I don't want to make a false equivalency between the Japanese in WW2 and the US, or between the Confederacy and the Nazis, or anything like that. Just wanted to say that enjoying wargaming doesn't make me a warmonger or an ideologue for the side I'm playing...
As Abraham Lincoln once said, 'Just because I do not wish to take a woman as a slave it does not follow that I wish her for a wife'.
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Post by fleet5 on Aug 6, 2019 11:57:10 GMT -6
I'm sorry but you need at least 2 inch armor everywhere and for past 6 inch secondaries, they have greater risk of flash fire so the 1 inch is nearly not enough.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Aug 6, 2019 12:13:02 GMT -6
My father fought in the Philippines in WW2. He didn't like to talk about it, but I do remember him saying that fighting the Japanese, and being attacked while taking a surrender or or offering food and medical care, led Allied soldiers to adopt a 'kill first and ask no questions later' policy. I don't want to make a false equivalency between the Japanese in WW2 and the US, or between the Confederacy and the Nazis, or anything like that. Just wanted to say that enjoying wargaming doesn't make me a warmonger or an ideologue for the side I'm playing... As Abraham Lincoln once said, 'Just because I do not wish to take a woman as a slave it does not follow that I wish her for a wife'. My father fought on board the USS Saratoga as an Aviation Ordnanceman and on Guadalcanal and Munda. He never talked about it either and in fact, would not watch Victory At Sea with me. I agree that playing these games are just entertainment to me and even though I lost two friends in Vietnam, I just continue to play and enjoy. |
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Post by rimbecano on Aug 6, 2019 14:01:39 GMT -6
My father fought on board the USS Saratoga as an Aviation Ordnanceman and on Guadalcanal and Munda. He never talked about it either and in fact, would not watch Victory At Sea with me. Do you know if he was aboard Saratoga during her final combat action? That seems like the kind of thing that one wouldn't like to remember. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Aug 6, 2019 15:28:47 GMT -6
My father fought on board the USS Saratoga as an Aviation Ordnanceman and on Guadalcanal and Munda. He never talked about it either and in fact, would not watch Victory At Sea with me. Do you know if he was aboard Saratoga during her final combat action? That seems like the kind of thing that one wouldn't like to remember. I would have to review his military records. After the second torpedoing of the Sara, the air wing was transferred to Guadalcanal. In November 1943 he was in CASU 11 and injured in a bomb attack. I don't think he ever returned to the carrier because after his recovery, he went to Munda. I can examine his records, but I am almost certain that he was grounded due to the injuries and he could never fly again. The bomb blast knocked him out so he was a little fuzzy about that incident. |
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euchrejack
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Post by euchrejack on Aug 6, 2019 23:17:03 GMT -6
I'm sorry but you need at least 2 inch armor everywhere and for past 6 inch secondaries, they have greater risk of flash fire so the 1 inch is nearly not enough. Thanks for commenting on the ship and not the nation. By the way, Merrimack was the Union name of the vessel. I HAVE to play the Confederates, because they were the ones to turn it into an Ironclad. When I want to play with Monitors, I'll fire up the game as someone else.
From a further, further reading of the Merrimack, I see what you mean about armor everywhere. It seems to have been 4 inch iron armor, so 2 inches of deck armor everywhere, with 2 inches on the bow (which is part of the extended version of belt armor maybe) makes sense. However, it appears that the broadside cannons were improperly armored (they had armor covers, that were not installed), so a weak protection for secondary armament (the broadsides) seems appropriate.
As casemates, I am unsure if they can trigger a flash fire. If so, then I would probably reluctantly agree to the increase in armor, as the point is to make the ship's secondaries vulnerable to becoming disabled, not to blow up.
Admittedly, this was the first attempt at the Merrimack's successor. I shall try again!
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euchrejack
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Post by euchrejack on Aug 6, 2019 23:26:29 GMT -6
Ah, here is my second attempt at Merrimack's successor. The Union is losing my war: The Confederate Navy can afford a second design study.
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Post by bcoopactual on Aug 7, 2019 0:00:10 GMT -6
You can make the forward and aft main gun turrets casemates by making the number of guns per mount 0. I wouldn't do it from a game play perspective but if you are just trying recreate a Confederate ironclad in-game that would be closer to historical.
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