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Post by garrisonchisholm on Oct 18, 2018 20:19:35 GMT -6
Your cruiser captain has been playing too much WoW obviously since he likes to get cozy with islands like that. But how else am I supposed to train my captains? Clearly I cannot trust them with actual ships while out of direct supervision, and anyways we already spent the entire training budget getting World of Warships to work on the mechanical fire control computers... You wouldn't believe how unhelpful tech support was for compatibility issues with analog non-programmable computing devices; they kept saying such nonsense as "digital download" and "operating system" and "internet," and the Intelligence section still hasn't discovered what they meant by all that, or what windows have to do with any of it (maybe they meant the panes for the slide projectors?). This provoked quite the chuckle, especially when considering how much "ram" the device would have had access to, and what the peak throughput would be of the "cpu"...
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Post by director on Oct 18, 2018 21:56:09 GMT -6
Clearly, 'RAM' refers to about 20 feet of the bow. CPU could be Captain's Pink Underwear?
Aha! Circle of Probable Uncertainty! THAT's why they keep running aground!
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Oct 21, 2018 2:44:09 GMT -6
So, this is what happens when you decide to press on into twilight to bag that lone BC, and then the enemy fleet circles around to cut off your return at night... [from my most recent testing of RTW2 code...] Yes, technically a "victory" at 2-1 VPs, but *man* was that chaos. I would have rather settled for a more orderly exchange for even 1/10th the result. By the way, yes, that Is a lot of torpedo hits. 67. As I recall only 2 or 3 were from airstrikes, scenario started close to dusk. I would wager there were 300+ torpedoes fired by destroyers of both sides, and that might be conservative. Ok, I am going to force myself to write 100 times, "Always Disengage at Nightfall"...
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Post by marcorossolini on Oct 21, 2018 10:34:52 GMT -6
It is very peculiar seeing those kinds of fleets in 1965! Guided missiles when? That said, the amount of carnage the screenie shows seems to indicate that technology has most definitely improved. I would presume (or hope) that radar might have had a role here? Give it 3 more years and the game will turn into Cold Waters.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Oct 21, 2018 11:30:20 GMT -6
Radar is part of the game by this stage of course, as it is an announced feature, but I am still parsing my results; there was a Storm and varying rain right after dusk, and some of the carnage is no doubt explained by accurate radar firing, but the fact that I was surprised by their encirclement tells me something wasn't quite right. I will see if I can post some radar fire images on the RTW2 page. BTW, the above screen shot is from right up against the hard cut-off of the game, I was playing past the "Ok, all over, go home" message. :]
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Post by aeson on Oct 24, 2018 5:42:14 GMT -6
Not sure if I should blame the signalmen or the lookouts for this one, but... ... Yeah, the Russian battle line's well within sighting range of my starboard scout cruiser. I imagine the Admiral might have had some words with an unfortunate cruiser captain after the battle.
Also, good work on the search-and-rescue work, gentlemen, but... Mind explaining how 513 survivors (plus the nominal complement of 94) fit onto a 600t destroyer? And I suppose it's gratitude for being pulled out of the water that prevented 513 Russians from seizing control of the destroyer from less than a hundred Chinese sailors?
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Post by dorn on Oct 24, 2018 6:31:30 GMT -6
Not sure if I should blame the signalmen or the lookouts for this one, but...
... Yeah, the Russian battle line's well within sighting range of my starboard scout cruiser. I imagine the Admiral might have had some words with an unfortunate cruiser captain after the battle.
Also, good work on the search-and-rescue work, gentlemen, but...
Mind explaining how 513 survivors (plus the nominal complement of 94) fit onto a 600t destroyer? And I suppose it's gratitude for being pulled out of the water that prevented 513 Russians from seizing control of the destroyer from less than a hundred Chinese sailors?
If I can see correctly it is almost 2000 survivors on 600 tons vessel. It seems to that your sailors do not like ship and with help of Russians they want create Nautilus. :-) I think you should check if they are not some imperialists in crew, may be they want find mysterious island.
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Post by bcoopactual on Oct 24, 2018 7:00:19 GMT -6
It is worded a little confusingly but I believe the log shows a running total so it's not 268 survivors from Merchant 0 and then another 348 survivors from Merchant 2 it's actually 85 survivors from Merchant 0 for a total of 268 and 80 survivors from Merchant 2 for a total of 348, etc, etc. It might even combine the totals from multiple ships, I'm not sure. The way to be sure is to double check the summary total in the details screen.
Too bad destroyers didn't carry torpedo nets, you could stick the poles out and lay the nets across the poles (instead of hang them down) and have the survivors lay over the side like they were hanging off of a catamaran.
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Post by aeson on Oct 24, 2018 7:27:17 GMT -6
Not sure if I should blame the signalmen or the lookouts for this one, but...
... Yeah, the Russian battle line's well within sighting range of my starboard scout cruiser. I imagine the Admiral might have had some words with an unfortunate cruiser captain after the battle.
Also, good work on the search-and-rescue work, gentlemen, but...
Mind explaining how 513 survivors (plus the nominal complement of 94) fit onto a 600t destroyer? And I suppose it's gratitude for being pulled out of the water that prevented 513 Russians from seizing control of the destroyer from less than a hundred Chinese sailors?
If I can see correctly it is almost 2000 survivors on 600 tons vessel. It seems to that your sailors do not like ship and with help of Russians they want create Nautilus. :-) I think you should check if they are not some imperialists in crew, may be they want find mysterious island. The points awarded for survivors recovered are very clearly 1 point per survivor when you only recover survivors from a single ship or when each ship engaged in search-and-rescue operations recovers survivors from only one sunken ship, and I got 513 points for all the survivors Lan Caihe recovered, not ~2000, so if the scoring is consistent then Lan Caihe recovered 513 survivors, not ~2000. The log should probably read 50 survivors from TR Merchant 1, 31 survivors from TR Merchant 2 (81 total), 102 from TR Merchant 4 (183 total), 85 from TR Merchant 0 (268 total), 80 from TR Merchant 2 (348 total), 149 from TR Merchant 3 (497 total), and 16 from TR Merchant 5 (513 total), but only reports the total number of survivors recovered, most likely because the game only tracks the total number of survivors recovered and not the number of survivors recovered from each ship.
Also, light cruiser force? All is forgiven.
According to Dvenadtsat Apostolov's logs, that's 6 11" and 8 5" hits scored by my battleships over about three hours (all of which either failed to penetrate the armor - even the 11", not that that's too surprising considering my battleships' 11" guns nominally penetrate 7.7" of armor at 5000 yards and the support force, which had both my battleships and all seven destroyers, never managed to get closer than about ten thousand yards to the Russian battleship - or struck somewhere in the superstructure), compared to 152 6", 26 5", and 30 4" hits scored mostly in the two hours after the Russian battleship got away from my battleships. Dvenadtsat Apostolov sank the same minute the torpedo (which was launched by Chengdu) struck it, but considering how much it had been slowed down before the torpedo finished it and considering that there are a number of flooding messages in its logs, I think it would probably have gone down even without the finishing blow from the torpedo.
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Post by garrisonchisholm on Oct 24, 2018 7:36:08 GMT -6
Not sure if I should blame the signalmen or the lookouts for this one, but...
... Yeah, the Russian battle line's well within sighting range of my starboard scout cruiser. I imagine the Admiral might have had some words with an unfortunate cruiser captain after the battle.
Actually, it was a situation where your Captain full knew exactly what the enemy was, but akin to the Roman Centurion in The Life of Brian correcting the vandal's conjugation, he was holding out for the look-out to get it right. "That's strange, our latest reports seemed to indicate those cruisers had 2 funnels, not 4..." "Umm, so, instead they're..." *desperately flipping through recognition manual* "I think page 24 might have what you're looking for?..." :]
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Post by aeson on Oct 24, 2018 8:55:29 GMT -6
I'm honestly not sure that the 513 of them would all fit onto any torpedo nets that a 600t destroyer could reasonably carry. Still, might help.
Probably the most sensible thing to do, though, would be to take lifeboats and liferafts in tow.
So you're saying it's a combination of 'blame the lookouts' and 'tell the captain that appropriate times for ship identification drill and recognition manual familiarization do not include times when enemy ships are in sight.' Well, I'm sure the signalmen are relieved.
... Then again, maybe not; I think that was the light cruiser that blew up when it got too close to a Russian battleship towards the end of the engagement.
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Post by bcoopactual on Oct 24, 2018 17:36:06 GMT -6
Probably the most sensible thing to do, though, would be to take lifeboats and liferafts in tow. Sounds like trolling for sharks. Any relatively modern (20th century) historical examples of large numbers of enemy survivors picked up by a fleet?
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Post by Noname117 on Oct 24, 2018 18:16:21 GMT -6
Probably the most sensible thing to do, though, would be to take lifeboats and liferafts in tow. Sounds like trolling for sharks. Any relatively modern (20th century) historical examples of large numbers of enemy survivors picked up by a fleet? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incidentA sad tale of a German U-boat picking up about 400 survivors (200 on board and 200 in lifeboats) and then being attacked by a US plane, killing many of the survivors and forcing the boat to crash dive, leaving the survivors to drift.
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Post by bcoopactual on Oct 24, 2018 18:36:28 GMT -6
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Post by oldpop2000 on Oct 24, 2018 22:18:04 GMT -6
Sounds like trolling for sharks. Any relatively modern (20th century) historical examples of large numbers of enemy survivors picked up by a fleet? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incidentA sad tale of a German U-boat picking up about 400 survivors (200 on board and 200 in lifeboats) and then being attacked by a US plane, killing many of the survivors and forcing the boat to crash dive, leaving the survivors to drift. I am reminded of what General Sherman is reported to have said, I tell you, war is hell. That same U-boat command had just torpedoed the Laconia, BTW, and when he surfaced to capture the senior officers, he realized that there were thousands of survivors and radioed for help. He stated he would not attack anyone who did. The British did not believe him and a B-24 dropped bombs. Oh Well!!
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