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Post by konstantinua00 on Apr 29, 2017 22:32:42 GMT -6
So... read the first "joke"... Dear gamemaster, while I understand that that was a cheap joke, I still can't imagine what were you going to "milk" out of us... Imagination?
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Post by srndacful on Apr 29, 2017 22:48:33 GMT -6
So... read the first "joke"... Dear gamemaster, while I understand that that was a cheap joke, I still can't imagine what were you going to "milk" out of us... Imagination? Primarily, I meant fun: I wanted this to continue for as long as it's fun (i.e. people participate) - even if I step down as Admiralty. (I don't care - as I've shown) I know I was having fun (if only at the equivalent of a job well done) - and assumed you were having fun, too - since (for whatever reason) you were (still) responding to my posts and submitting the Designs I asked for. IMHO, this was an equivalent exchange: my fun for yours - and that's what the "joke" was supposed to be about. I mean, seriously, I even put the "tongue-in-cheek" (at least I think that's what it means) emoticon in there to show that. Unfortunately, I forgot about his sensitivity to the subject. Again, my bad.
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Post by theexecuter on Apr 29, 2017 22:48:35 GMT -6
You do realize that's how these threads work, don't you? It's mostly about the author and the story he wants to tell. To put it into RPG terms, he is the game master. You, the player, don't get to determine the rules of the game. So stop trying. I'll even broaden the field of this discussion. Anytime an author puts out a work on this forum, he is expending a large amount of effort and time gratis, for someone else's enjoyment. The least we can do is let him know, through our engagement and interaction, that we enjoy his work. That ego feeding is a GOOD THING. It keeps forums like these alive and keeps new and interesting stories being told. If you don't like this story, be silent. Silence is the worst response to a story in this format. if this is a straight up AAR then certainly yes, but this involves significant effort from everybody involved. it is far from a simple thank you good job nice read. and, maybe you're getting enjoyment outta the AAR part, but i'd say there are far more better AARs in this forum. in this case the AAR is written by everyone involved in the game, for non-participants of the game to read. - however given the low activity on this forum, in a way this has become a simple framework for one forum member to gather other members' work (edit: which is why the designers can be "milked", now), and judge them. the game host puts in the most work, ofc, but that doesn't give anybody the right to judge others' without a good enough reason. everyone is putting time in for the good of the game, without material returns as you mentioned. - now, if the game host is aware of this and tries to avoid the problem that's all great. again, what's happening here is the opposite case. 1) This is an interactive AAR. It requires a lot more work than a normal AAR. 2) Our effort is a lot less than his. I only put about 30 minutes of thought into each round. He put more work than that into writing up and posting the results. The thought process required to come up with an attractive game and to execute on time is even more daunting. 3) You have the audacity to insult someones work to their face? No one forces you to participate in every story. If you don't like it. Go read someone else's. Don't ruin it for people who DO like it. 4) In case you haven't noticed. Our work is worthless. This isn't a multiplayer game. No one is gaining advantage by seeing our designs. No one is injured by being shown that others have cooler, better design ideas. THIS IS A GAME that we play for FUN. 5) The author stated that he would be the sole judge of our designs. We agreed implicitly by joining the game to submit to this structure. He can and should be judging our work. 6) This story is not about you. It isn't for your glory. You have behaved quite poorly in forcing it's closure.
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Post by srndacful on Apr 29, 2017 23:00:25 GMT -6
theexecuter : I really don't even know if I should close it right now. With such an overwhelming positive response as I've gotten ... Actually, let's do it this way: I'm putting up the continuance of this forum game to the vote! All currently registered Designers (except skwabie, of course - I'm counting his vote as automatic Nay) have until 06:00 (GMT) on May 2nd to submit their vote (Yay or Nay) on the issue: Will this forum game continue on (with me as Admiralty) or not. (obviously, I'll create a new thread to continue - this one's too toxic - unless you disagree.) The result will be passed by the majority vote. Thank you.
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Post by konstantinua00 on Apr 29, 2017 23:01:12 GMT -6
So... I think I've read everything now. Here's what I think: (I'm really sorry, if I type your nick wrong...) -Srndacful said lame joke -skwabie overreacted -Srndacful reacted to that -everyone overreacted -people started joining in without realisation of what was happening
My proposed solution: Srndacful, it was your "joke" that started all this, so, please, apologise to everyone, espessially to skwabie
Skwabie, please, forgive srndacful for that. We (other participants) really like this "different kind of AAR", we'd like to continue.
Others, don't add wood to this forest fire. It needs to stop.
Admins, are you able to delete all this off-topic? While it might be important for some people, it would hurt overall experience of rereading this thread. Thanks
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Post by srndacful on Apr 29, 2017 23:09:24 GMT -6
So... I think I've read everything now. Here's what I think: (I'm really sorry, if I type your nick wrong...) -Srndacful said lame joke -skwabie overreacted -Srndacful reacted to that -everyone overreacted -people started joining in without realisation of what was happening My proposed solution: Srndacful, it was your "joke" that started all this, so, please, apologise to everyone, espessially to skwabie Skwabie, please, forgive srndacful for that. We (other participants) really like this "different kind of AAR", we'd like to continue. Others, don't add wood to this forest fire. It needs to stop. Admins, are you able to delete all this off-topic? While it might be important for some people, it would hurt overall experience of rereading this thread. Thanks Although I said it already, I'll repeat it formally now: I apologize to all the members of this forum for the poorly-formed "joke" in which I implied that I was "using" anyone on this forum to gain some kind of sick & twisted enjoyment. I can categorically state that this was not my intention (the "using" of anyone, I mean - I totally meant to throw a joke out there - which, in hindsight, proved to be all the trouble) in creating (or maintaning) this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 23:11:44 GMT -6
1) This is an interactive AAR. It requires a lot more work than a normal AAR. but substantially more work for the participants - designing the ship itself is like 5 minutes. than comes testing the designs. revisions. proofing another concept. figuring out how the game works. checking others' designs. interacting with others on the foras. i'd say each design round i spend 4-6 hours. hmmm. reasons for these... allegations? or is it just mindless babbling. i am questioningdisbelieving the host's motive, in judging others' work. nothing more nothing less. now if i were a casual outside reader certainly the best is to stay outta this. but i have been this far quite involved. but i somehow see this has become pointless bickering. to re-iterate, the info i got i displayed to you - i thought you should know: "I'm still kinda surprised this got as much crowd as it did. I kinda guess they're humoring me, but I'm planning on being a **** and milking them for all they're worth anyway ... " how YOU take it, certainly at the end of day is your business. evidently i don't take it that well. but it is up to you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 23:18:16 GMT -6
Although I said it already, I'll repeat it formally now: I apologize to all the members of this forum for the poorly-formed "joke" in which I implied that I was "using" anyone on this forum to gain some kind of sick & twisted enjoyment. I can categorically state that this was not my intention (the "using" of anyone, I mean - I totally meant to throw a joke out there - which, in hindsight, proved to be all the trouble) in creating (or maintaning) this thread. in the best way this is spun, it is a semi-joke that leaked the real intention of you starting/conducting this game. you explain to konstantinua00 that it is the "fun" you're trying to milk for all it's worth, while being a di-ck about it? fun and amusement for you, definitely.. now, i see the others may want to continue. count me out, definitely. to ppl who think i'm overreacting: imagine having this line thrown in your face during a normal conversation. - now if this was a personal insult, certainly it resolves personally. this is not but involves everybody.
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Post by konstantinua00 on Apr 29, 2017 23:27:15 GMT -6
Skwabie, as much as I want to say "I appreciate your opinion", but I won't. That's too standart way of speach. Let me rephrase:
Thank you for your effort for bringing truth in this thread. Thank you for joining this forum game. Thank you for offering "job application", when I wanted to join the game. Thank you for your part of discussion
Please... Look again at your feelings. No need to worry so much about something on the other side of screen. Please... Let it go
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 23:37:48 GMT -6
i think most of it is just explaining. ofc ppl's emotions get hyped in these situations. but i think that is ok in order to get words out. this isn't getting to personal insults (and i've a clear line of that) so pretty good all things considered.
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Post by theexecuter on Apr 30, 2017 0:08:17 GMT -6
theexecuter : I really don't even know if I should close it right now. With such an overwhelming positive response as I've gotten ... Actually, let's do it this way: I'm putting up the continuance of this forum game to the vote! All currently registered Designers (except skwabie, of course - I'm counting his vote as automatic Nay) have until 06:00 (GMT) on May 2nd to submit their vote (Yay or Nay) on the issue: Will this forum game continue on (with me as Admiralty) or not. (obviously, I'll create a new thread to continue - this one's too toxic - unless you disagree.) The result will be passed by the majority vote. Thank you. Yay. Continue with only you as Admiralty, please.
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Post by theexecuter on Apr 30, 2017 0:12:50 GMT -6
1) This is an interactive AAR. It requires a lot more work than a normal AAR. but substantially more work for the participants - designing the ship itself is like 5 minutes. than comes testing the designs. revisions. proofing another concept. figuring out how the game works. checking others' designs. interacting with others on the foras. i'd say each design round i spend 4-6 hours. hmmm. reasons for these... allegations? or is it just mindless babbling. i am questioningdisbelieving the host's motive, in judging others' work. nothing more nothing less. now if i were a casual outside reader certainly the best is to stay outta this. but i have been this far quite involved. but i somehow see this has become pointless bickering. to re-iterate, the info i got i displayed to you - i thought you should know: "I'm still kinda surprised this got as much crowd as it did. I kinda guess they're humoring me, but I'm planning on being a **** and milking them for all they're worth anyway ... " how YOU take it, certainly at the end of day is your business. evidently i don't take it that well. but it is up to you. Four to six hours? Why? My allegations are your tantrum in this thread because you felt demeaned when the author took this game less seriously than you did. To put this in another way. "We sitting in here -- We're supposed to be having fun, and we in here talking about a game. I mean, listen: We talking about a game. Not real life. Not real life. Not real life. We talking about a game. Not real life. Not the real life that I go out there and die for and work every day like it's my last. Not real life. We talking about a game, man."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 1:46:49 GMT -6
Four to six hours? Why? My allegations are your tantrum in this thread because you felt demeaned when the author took this game less seriously than you did. i'll not reply to tantrum/demeaned into dangerous waters but as said -- i am disbelieving (in what i've read) on the host's motive on conducting this game - it is a good initiative, but if one is having a twisted sense of amusement in getting others willingly work for you to your tunes, while he may be in a very high or important position and extremely hard working, i simply tend not to follow someone like this. substantially less so when my time/effort/value is also spent. i remember the saying power tend to corrupt and it is interestingly even apparent in such a mini micro forum game. - note i am just explaining my thoughts and not forcing one else to believe big lines like this... i certainly am not thinking one way or the other about who takes the game more seriously... but now that tis mentioned, since my time spent on this game is much higher maybe i'm getting the stronger reaction due to this plus ofc the fact that this is in my own pm. game or not the human factor is always overriding, especially in today's multiplayer and social gaming. i actually wish it was more about the game here. if in need of some "tranquility" i think we each have our own choice but it seems the gaming choice is less and less so.. ofc just imho.
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Post by zardoz on Apr 30, 2017 2:36:48 GMT -6
I have to confess that my English is too bad to understand the reason for the trouble properly. As a consequence I will not comment whether to stop the game or not. I remain neutral.
I only what to say that I do not take the game too serious and if I cannot understand the decisions of the beloved government, it is like real life where government decision are also triggerd by reason not clearly visble *s*
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Post by Wiggy on Apr 30, 2017 6:29:28 GMT -6
yay
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