ASW bug seems to not actually sink submarines

[christian]

every single ship on repair in the picture is due to submarine damage 

i have over 1000 combined anti submarine warfare value


they have 86 subs

they are quite litterally producing submarines faster than my 1000 asw navy can kill them
which is stupid

it is maxed as shown in photo 2


playing with dizzys japan mod the improved speed curves mod the battleship and carrier design mods and some slight changes to the gundata vpen and ordinance files

in version 1.18 

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[christian]

my enemy is now unironically producing submarines faster than i can sink them

[seawolf]

It says your asw is about 550 compared to the requirement of around 450. You need to dedicate a significant amount of ships if you want to sink submarines with TP.

[dia]

Apr 17, 2020 18:08:27 GMT -6 seawolf said:

It says your asw is about 550 compared to the requirement of around 450. You need to dedicate a significant amount of ships if you want to sink submarines with TP.

Isn't 450 his air ASW score?

[dorn]

I can see, submarines are sunk. 6 submarines per month (19.6M) is really not small amount compared just to 80 ASW ships.

I do not think you devote such amount to resources to combat submarines. 80 ships on ASW against 90 submarines are really nothing extraordinary. You need to devote more resources to combat submarines effectively.

[dorn]

Apr 17, 2020 19:25:42 GMT -6 dia said:

Apr 17, 2020 18:08:27 GMT -6 seawolf said:

It says your asw is about 550 compared to the requirement of around 450. You need to dedicate a significant amount of ships if you want to sink submarines with TP.

Isn't 450 his air ASW score?

Yes, it is.

[christian]

Apr 17, 2020 19:25:42 GMT -6 dia said:

Apr 17, 2020 18:08:27 GMT -6 seawolf said:

It says your asw is about 550 compared to the requirement of around 450. You need to dedicate a significant amount of ships if you want to sink submarines with TP.

Isn't 450 his air ASW score?

can confirm 450 is my air force

[christian]

Apr 18, 2020 1:20:10 GMT -6 dorn said:

I can see, submarines are sunk. 6 submarines per month (19.6M) is really not small amount compared just to 80 ASW ships.

I do not think you devote such amount to resources to combat submarines. 80 ships on ASW against 90 submarines are really nothing extraordinary. You need to devote more resources to combat submarines effectively.

its almost a ship per submarine

and i have around 200 flying boats on duty

in short i have 2 planes and a boat per submarine which seems like an insane amount of capacity to dedicate to a mere 80 submarines

also worth noting A i was fighting a force of uboats 2 times smaller (and with nowhere near that production capacity)
B i have maxed anti submarine research 



and i feel that even though i dont have the best anti submarine fleet (despite an asw value of over 1000 against 80 submarines) they were outbuilding me in submarines and by month 44 they had 92 submarines the number never went down as they could just produce more submarines than i could kill


also both of the nations (russia and netherlands usa was not producing submarines) had quite **** submarine tech with russia buying 3 submarine techs from me after the war (despite me having sub tech on low) and the netherlands buying 1


i was loosing korvettes faster than they lost submarines as the submarines kept gunning down my korvettes with on average loosing 6-8 per month 

[wlbjork]

That...actually looks about right.

As memory serves, the game does allow friendly ships to mount ASDIC (sonar/hydrophones), Depth Charges and Hedgehog/Squid (ahead firing ASW weapons).

What it is lacking is ASV I/II/III, Mk24 FIDO and Mk35 Torpedo.

Ahead-throwing weapons including Hedgehog and Squid raised the percentage of kills by British surface ships (1943–45) from 85 kills in 5,174 attacks (1.6%) for depth charges to 47 in 268 attacks (17.5%) for Hedgehog, the success rates rising with time

However, I believe there is a case to be made that submarines are either too powerful or we are not allowed to make full use of our defensive options against submarines. One of the best sources we have regarding high use of submarines to sink enemy shipping is the Battle of the Atlantic.

At no time during the campaign were supply lines to Britain interrupted; even during the Bismarck crisis, convoys sailed as usual (although with heavier escorts). In all, during the Atlantic Campaign only 10% of transatlantic convoys that sailed were attacked, and of those attacked only 10% on average of the ships were lost. Overall, more than 99% of all ships sailing to and from the British Isles during World War II did so successfully.

[cabalamat]

What do the 543/438 figures for ASW means anyway?

[dia]

Apr 24, 2020 22:20:14 GMT -6 cabalamat said:

What do the 543/438 figures for ASW means anyway?

Based on my observations Total ASW value of ships on Trade Protection/Total aircraft ASW value (also given in the air groups window)

I have yet to come across anything that states this though, this is just what I've observed from adding ships to TP and comparing the second number to the aircraft ASW value in the air groups window. It's really something that should have made the manual. I used to think it was actual ASW value/required ASW value.

I also find them to be two completely useless values without anything to compare them too. Same with the minesweeping value, but at least in that case you can guess based on your own minelaying values.