MOD RELEASE Historical Legacy Fleet (V2.0) (7/27)

[seawolf]

Jan 15, 2020 2:51:23 GMT -6 wlbjork said:

From what I've seen, the cost of ships in game doesn't match up with real life costs, even by proportion. Difficult to be certain as RL costs are often given without armament. Pretty sure the monthly operating costs are even worse.

generalvikus
Basically This
The games budget system is one of its least accurate parts (although that's not necessarily a weakness), so plugging in historical economic data will give ahistoric results

[seawolf]

Jan 14, 2020 13:48:18 GMT -6 sealord said:

Ah .I think your referring to the 1936 German destroyer designs. The conflict in my game is taking place in 1926 so I was a little taken aback by these being around this early. Anyway is there any chance you could also fix the 16" gun being not available for the Royal Navy when you fix the budgets. Regards.

Also at the end of WW1 Germany built 6 inch armed destroyers
navypedia.org/ships/germany/ger_dd_s113.htm
navypedia.org/ships/germany/ger_dd_v116.htm
navypedia.org/ships/germany/ger_dd_b122.htm

[sealord]

I was unaware of these designs. Still you never stop learning. Thanks for the info. Look forward to your changes/updates in the scenario.

[generalvikus]

seawolf

Specifically, is the problem that the costs of ships are not accurate relative to one another; so that for example, you must give nations which historically built a lot of cruisers relatively more money than they had historically, because cruisers are relatively more expensive than they really were? If so, how do the relative costs of ships in game differ from reality and how did you choose to modify the budgets accordingly?

[wlbjork]

Wiki have a page covering the warships in service between 1900 and 1918:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_of_warships_1900–1918

You can also find at least the British Royal Navy budget for 1900 with a quick google search.

Now, one issue is some designs were deliberately cheaper than others but that cannot be replicated in game, there's no "budget construction" option, so again it's difficult to give a precise cost breakdown which in turn means using an average for cost.

The other issue, as mentioned, us upkeep of these ships. Pre-Dreadnoughts can cost as much in maintenance as one months construction of a new Destroyer, which is a little on the high side.

[generalvikus]

Jan 16, 2020 7:33:07 GMT -6 wlbjork said:

Wiki have a page covering the warships in service between 1900 and 1918:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_of_warships_1900–1918

You can also find at least the British Royal Navy budget for 1900 with a quick google search.

Now, one issue is some designs were deliberately cheaper than others but that cannot be replicated in game, there's no "budget construction" option, so again it's difficult to give a precise cost breakdown which in turn means using an average for cost.

The other issue, as mentioned, us upkeep of these ships. Pre-Dreadnoughts can cost as much in maintenance as one months construction of a new Destroyer, which is a little on the high side.

Right, but one could argue that since all nations are affected equally by these inaccuracies, the naval balance could still be made historical with historical economic data. 

[seawolf]

Jan 16, 2020 6:46:11 GMT -6 generalvikus said:

seawolf

Specifically, is the problem that the costs of ships are not accurate relative to one another; so that for example, you must give nations which historically built a lot of cruisers relatively more money than they had historically, because cruisers are relatively more expensive than they really were? If so, how do the relative costs of ships in game differ from reality and how did you choose to modify the budgets accordingly?

The biggest problem is maintenance vs construction

[dorn]

Jan 16, 2020 6:46:11 GMT -6 generalvikus said:

seawolf

Specifically, is the problem that the costs of ships are not accurate relative to one another; so that for example, you must give nations which historically built a lot of cruisers relatively more money than they had historically, because cruisers are relatively more expensive than they really were? If so, how do the relative costs of ships in game differ from reality and how did you choose to modify the budgets accordingly?

I do not think so. If you look at link on wiki, according to those construction costs, it seems RTW is reasonable accurate.

[seawolf]

drive.google.com/open?id=1aKoPEIY1xnvooI8pm_1f3JkDlDcylMnG

UK Hotfix for 16 inch guns and all forward armament

[seawolf]

V2.0 is coming along well (Complete Rebuild of Mod)
These are obviously from the no WNT part of the mod

[millsian]

i'm holding fire for v2 - will be my first MOD install so please when you do post put in the noddy instructions for dummies

[wolfpack]

any plans for a ww1 start after the no ww1 starts done ?

[seawolf]

Apr 2, 2020 22:54:02 GMT -6 wolfpack said:

any plans for a ww1 start after the no ww1 starts done ?

Can you clarify what you mean by this?
Do you want a start that begins with war?

Here are the present starts and their progress

1900 (Historical) Finished
1914 (Just before WWI) In Progress
1922 (Washington and Versailles Treaties options) Finished (V2.0 In Progress)
1936 (Pre-WWII) In Beta
1939/1941 Next possible project

[w2c]

I'll be watching for this update as well. I assume this will also be with super large fleet size? Interesting alternatives you're working on as well. I think my personal order of preference is 1900>1922>1914>1936. Obviously I'm only sharing in case feedback on interest is something you're looking for.

[seawolf]