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Post by dorn on Dec 25, 2022 3:44:50 GMT -6
Still interesting how many battleships got golden hit.
There are a lot of ships just from European powers as Bismarck, Prince of Wales, Scharnhorst, Roma, not mentioned some others not as fatal. |
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Post by vonfriedman on Dec 25, 2022 3:54:12 GMT -6
Unfortunately, both with SAI and with RTW 1 and 2 it is impossible not to repeat the mistake that the unfortunate Admiral Holland made, making Hood and Prince of Wales sail in line. This made it easier to control Bismarck's fire as she moved from Hood to fire on Prince of Wales.
Not being able to detach a ship unless she is badly damaged is one of the flaws I hope to see fixed in RTW3.
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Post by zederfflinger on Dec 26, 2022 7:03:38 GMT -6
I'm not really sure how many of those I'd really consider a golden BB. Hood certainly, but the torpedoes on Bismarck or PoW? Doesn't seem all that unusual to me. Same with Scharnhorst and Roma, the hits that doomed them are not really some one in a million shot, but rather the inadequate deck protection catching up to the ship.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 26, 2022 8:03:01 GMT -6
Still interesting how many battleships got golden hit.
There are a lot of ships just from European powers as Bismarck, Prince of Wales, Scharnhorst, Roma, not mentioned some others not as fatal. Roma was sunk by a precision guided missile, the Fritz X. No one had any experience with her except the British who had had a warship sunk by one and others damaged. www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-sinking-of-the-battleship-roma-and-the-dawn-of-the-age-of-precision-guided-munitions/Scharnhorst had a running battle with the British before being surrounded and sunk. No golden BB's on these two losses. Now, my opinion on the loss of Hood is a case of reductionism. We are trying to simplify a complex phenomenon, the sinking of the Hood, to one simpler level. She was a battlecruiser. She was very similar to the battlecruisers sunk at Jutland for the very same reasons. Poor handling and inadequate armor. Prince of Wales was just out of the yards, with an inexperienced crew but she was a battleship, better armored. She should have been leading the fleet. It might have been better to have split the fleet to cause Bismarck to have to split her fire. That might have worked, it's hard to know. But the golden BB idea is just one way of eliminating the guilt of the Royal Navy for its mistakes. It seems it did not learn much from Jutland. |
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Post by zederfflinger on Dec 26, 2022 13:29:22 GMT -6
www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-sinking-of-the-battleship-roma-and-the-dawn-of-the-age-of-precision-guided-munitions/Scharnhorst had a running battle with the British before being surrounded and sunk. No golden BB's on these two losses. Now, my opinion on the loss of Hood is a case of reductionism. We are trying to simplify a complex phenomenon, the sinking of the Hood, to one simpler level. She was a battlecruiser. She was very similar to the battlecruisers sunk at Jutland for the very same reasons. Poor handling and inadequate armor. Prince of Wales was just out of the yards, with an inexperienced crew but she was a battleship, better armored. She should have been leading the fleet. It might have been better to have split the fleet to cause Bismarck to have to split her fire. That might have worked, it's hard to know. But the golden BB idea is just one way of eliminating the guilt of the Royal Navy for its mistakes. It seems it did not learn much from Jutland. I'm with you on Roma and Scharnhorst, but I completely completely disagree on Hood. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 26, 2022 13:50:34 GMT -6
www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-sinking-of-the-battleship-roma-and-the-dawn-of-the-age-of-precision-guided-munitions/Scharnhorst had a running battle with the British before being surrounded and sunk. No golden BB's on these two losses. Now, my opinion on the loss of Hood is a case of reductionism. We are trying to simplify a complex phenomenon, the sinking of the Hood, to one simpler level. She was a battlecruiser. She was very similar to the battlecruisers sunk at Jutland for the very same reasons. Poor handling and inadequate armor. Prince of Wales was just out of the yards, with an inexperienced crew but she was a battleship, better armored. She should have been leading the fleet. It might have been better to have split the fleet to cause Bismarck to have to split her fire. That might have worked, it's hard to know. But the golden BB idea is just one way of eliminating the guilt of the Royal Navy for its mistakes. It seems it did not learn much from Jutland. I'm with you on Roma and Scharnhorst, but I completely completely disagree on Hood. No one seems to agree on the fate of Hood in this engagement. Experts have argued about it since May 1941. But the key for me is failure to upgrade the aft portion of the deck with heavier armor as they did the forecastle. This gave her a weak spot. Admiral Holland made the right move but hoped the move would get done before the Bismarck would start hitting Hood. Bismarck's gunnery, IMHO, was better than the British. So, she got hit in the wrong spot. |
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 26, 2022 16:36:46 GMT -6
Newest Update 20/1/2021
Battle of the Denmark StraitReplay the Historic Clash of German and British Dreadnoughts from the British Side (for now) Can you save the Hood by closing range with the Bismarck? Turn the tables on Admiral Lütjens? Despite the numerical superiority of the British Fleet, the Hood is long overdue for a refit and Prince of Wales struggles keep her guns firing Royal Navy DOWNLOADJust drop the save file into your save folder and load the save to start the battle Please report any issues and bugs
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Exeter, Ajax, and Achilles take on the Graf Spee
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A US navy task force attempts to ambush a Japanese cruiser squadron off of Guadalcanal
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I don't mean to be picky, but the Battle of the Denmark Straits occurred on 24 May 1941, not 1940. Minor I am certain, but for accuracy, that is when it occurred. |
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Post by JagdFlanker on Dec 28, 2022 5:21:43 GMT -6
interesting the Royal Navy and the Kriegsmarine have their flags switched in those results screen
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Post by oldpop2000 on Dec 28, 2022 7:10:08 GMT -6
interesting the Royal Navy and the Kriegsmarine have their flags switched in those results screen Ha Ha Ha Nice catch, I never saw that. Another OOPS moment. |
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Post by seawolf on Feb 4, 2023 2:04:13 GMT -6
interesting the Royal Navy and the Kriegsmarine have their flags switched in those results screen Ha Ha Ha Nice catch, I never saw that. Another OOPS moment. Aye, funny little bug I can't seem to fix without doing a bunch of work. |
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Post by vilab on Mar 15, 2023 5:37:07 GMT -6
I'm with you on Roma and Scharnhorst, but I completely completely disagree on Hood. No one seems to agree on the fate of Hood in this engagement. Experts have argued about it since May 1941. But the key for me is failure to upgrade the aft portion of the deck with heavier armor as they did the forecastle. This gave her a weak spot. Admiral Holland made the right move but hoped the move would get done before the Bismarck would start hitting Hood. Bismarck's gunnery, IMHO, was better than the British. So, she got hit in the wrong spot. I don't think modern historian believe the thin deck armor arround the magazine had anything to do with Hood fate. The hypothesis i read about it where either a deck penetration over the machinery space allowing the shell to explode near the magazines, or an underwater hits traveling under the main belt probably helped by the noticeable decrease in water level created in the area by running at maximum speed. |
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