Not to be ungrateful for 1.19 but...

[tbr]

Where are the SSM's?

More than for SAM's and air launched ASM's I waited for SSM's. I was really looking forward to weighing removing some of a DD's guns and/or the torpedoes to give it SSM's and go to the next level of flotilla attack...

[seawolf]

Apr 26, 2020 18:48:58 GMT -6 tbr said:

Where are the SSM's?

More than for SAM's and air launched ASM's I waited for SSM's. I was really looking forward to weighing removing some of a DD's guns and/or the torpedoes to give it SSM's and go to the next level of flotilla attack...

They said they are working on them for a later release.  Combined with the airbase fix, this is going to make for some amazing early cold war era warfare.  Hell, once SSMs are working they could even include SSGs (Guided Missile Submarines).  

[williammiller]

We really want to create a more complex rendering of all the missile types, which will take much more time and effort than it did for the basic missiles in 1.19.

In light of that fact, and the fact that 1.19 was taking longer than expected to complete, we decided to save work on those for later - possibly even as part of an expansion or DLC.
The basic missile system presented in 1.19 would be greatly expanded as part of this, along with other new features added...

[christian]

Apr 26, 2020 18:48:58 GMT -6 tbr said:

Where are the SSM's?

More than for SAM's and air launched ASM's I waited for SSM's. I was really looking forward to weighing removing some of a DD's guns and/or the torpedoes to give it SSM's and go to the next level of flotilla attack...

technically they already are in game

if you under Researchareas2 in the files replace all missile tech lines with this


[Missile technology 19]

PicName=Missile.jpg

Guided bomb;1943;N;70;12;1900;Increases air attack effectiveness

Early ASM;1943;N;60;10;1907;Enables air attacks with ASM

Early SAM;1945;N;70;12;1905;Enables early SAM mounts

Early SSM;1949;N;70;12;1901;Enables early SSM mounts

Double SAM launchers;1953;Y;70;6;1909;Allows double SAM launchers

Improved SAM;1954;N;70;12;1906;Increases SAM hit rate

Reliable SSM;1955;N;70;12;1902;Increases SSM hit rate

Reliable ASM;1955;N;70;12;1902;Increases ASM hit rate

Improved guidance systems;1957;N;70;12;1904;Increases missile hit rate






you get a menu to use light to heavy missile types of both SSM and SAM 
this seems to be unintended

keep in mind ssm work like fuel air bombs so do very little damage but basically gaurantee fires

[stevethecat]

Apr 26, 2020 19:13:27 GMT -6 williammiller said:

later - possibly even as part of an expansion or DLC.

I should hope not, given missiles were part of the feature list of base game that we have been waiting for for quite a while now.

It would be a damn shame if the Devs pulled a shitty Ubisoft/EA move like that.

[tbr]

Apr 27, 2020 1:11:34 GMT -6 stevethecat said:

Apr 26, 2020 19:13:27 GMT -6 williammiller said:

later - possibly even as part of an expansion or DLC.

I should hope not, given missiles were part of the feature list of base game that we have been waiting for for quite a while now.

It would be a damn shame if the Devs pulled a shitty Ubisoft/EA move like that.

William, thanks for the info.

Steve, NWS has been pretty good on committment and valuing us customers. I am convinced that any DLC would be so content/mechanism heavy beyond any previous RTW2 claims that no one should be dissatisfied.

So, wishlist time for those things beyond non-DLC RTW2 (in no particular order):

Controllable (of a sort) Helicopters with radar and, evenually, ASM (and a hefty ASW bonus off-battles)
Operational war-play like in SAI campaigns
Full missile evolutionary cycle until 1990 (also general tech extension)
Homing mechanisms for missiles and torpedoes
Complex CAP and alpha strike tactics (with missile volleys, AEW radar, tanking...)
Some air/sea cooperation (player input int aerial asset behaviour after launch)
Blue-on-blue (subject to tech progress, deselectable realism opion)
Localized weather variation on map during battles (visibility impairing rain squalls)
Better smoke (and smoke screen) implementation and depiction
Improved intel panel (better almanach that is fully updated with intel results)
Choice for superstructure layers to mask secondary guns and abovedeck torpedo mounts
Task Force organisation (off-battle)
revamp of force selection/ship tasking to enable benefits from specialising designs
designable MTB/FAC that behave more aggressively (and smarter)
Shore defence design and placement on map
Special long range benefits for coastal guns (extended sightlines from hills/mountains, extra high elevation, accuracy benefits from preregistering and extended baseline targeting with dispersed optics etc.)
Coastal defence ASM's
Better mine placement (i.e. no more random dotting, but fields and barriers)
 
Anyone wants to chime in?

[elouda]

Apr 27, 2020 2:28:42 GMT -6 tbr said:

Apr 27, 2020 1:11:34 GMT -6 stevethecat said:

I should hope not, given missiles were part of the feature list of base game that we have been waiting for for quite a while now.

It would be a damn shame if the Devs pulled a shitty Ubisoft/EA move like that.

William, thanks for the info.

Steve, NWS has been pretty good on committment and valuing us customers. I am convinced that any DLC would be so content/mechanism heavy beyond any previous RTW2 claims that no one should be dissatisfied.

So, wishlist time for those things beyond non-DLC RTW2 (in no particular order):

Controllable (of a sort) Helicopters with radar and, evenually, ASM (and a hefty ASW bonus off-battles)
Operational war-play like in SAI campaigns
Full missile evolutionary cycle until 1990 (also general tech extension)
Homing mechanisms for missiles and torpedoes
Complex CAP and alpha strike tactics (with missile volleys, AEW radar, tanking...)
Some air/sea cooperation (player input int aerial asset behaviour after launch)
Blue-on-blue (subject to tech progress, deselectable realism opion)
Localized weather variation on map during battles (visibility impairing rain squalls)
Better smoke (and smoke screen) implementation and depiction
Improved intel panel (better almanach that is fully updated with intel results)
Choice for superstructure layers to mask secondary guns and abovedeck torpedo mounts
Task Force organisation (off-battle)
revamp of force selection/ship tasking to enable benefits from specialising designs
designable MTB/FAC that behave more aggressively (and smarter)
Shore defence design and placement on map
Special long range benefits for coastal guns (extended sightlines from hills/mountains, extra high elevation, accuracy benefits from preregistering and extended baseline targeting with dispersed optics etc.)
Coastal defence ASM's
Better mine placement (i.e. no more random dotting, but fields and barriers)
 
Anyone wants to chime in?

Just on the missile theme alone;

-Adjustable magazine sizes for SAM launchers

-Choice of single-shot or reloadable (ala Project 58) launchers for SSM

-Basic modelling of early electronic warfare - passive detection/early jammers

-Missile countermeasures (naval chaff)

Other potential related items;

-Air to Air missiles

-ASW Missiles (ASROC/RPK series)

-Maritime Patrol/Surveillance aircraft with radar

-Airborne Early Warning, both land based and carrier (E-2 Hawkeye is 1964)

[RvT (Dickie)]

Apr 27, 2020 2:40:27 GMT -6 elouda said:

Apr 27, 2020 2:28:42 GMT -6 tbr said:

William, thanks for the info.

Steve, NWS has been pretty good on committment and valuing us customers. I am convinced that any DLC would be so content/mechanism heavy beyond any previous RTW2 claims that no one should be dissatisfied.

So, wishlist time for those things beyond non-DLC RTW2 (in no particular order):

Controllable (of a sort) Helicopters with radar and, evenually, ASM (and a hefty ASW bonus off-battles)
Operational war-play like in SAI campaigns
Full missile evolutionary cycle until 1990 (also general tech extension)
Homing mechanisms for missiles and torpedoes
Complex CAP and alpha strike tactics (with missile volleys, AEW radar, tanking...)
Some air/sea cooperation (player input int aerial asset behaviour after launch)
Blue-on-blue (subject to tech progress, deselectable realism opion)
Localized weather variation on map during battles (visibility impairing rain squalls)
Better smoke (and smoke screen) implementation and depiction
Improved intel panel (better almanach that is fully updated with intel results)
Choice for superstructure layers to mask secondary guns and abovedeck torpedo mounts
Task Force organisation (off-battle)
revamp of force selection/ship tasking to enable benefits from specialising designs
designable MTB/FAC that behave more aggressively (and smarter)
Shore defence design and placement on map
Special long range benefits for coastal guns (extended sightlines from hills/mountains, extra high elevation, accuracy benefits from preregistering and extended baseline targeting with dispersed optics etc.)
Coastal defence ASM's
Better mine placement (i.e. no more random dotting, but fields and barriers)
 
Anyone wants to chime in?

Just on the missile theme alone;

-Adjustable magazine sizes for SAM launchers

-Choice of single-shot or reloadable (ala Project 58) launchers for SSM

-Basic modelling of early electronic warfare - passive detection/early jammers

-Missile countermeasures (naval chaff)

Other potential related items;

-Air to Air missiles

-ASW Missiles (ASROC/RPK series)

-Maritime Patrol/Surveillance aircraft with radar

-Airborne Early Warning, both land based and carrier (E-2 Hawkeye is 1964)

I'd vote for:

- Ability to build WW1 style barrages (mines, patrol ships), as at Dover, Otranto, off the Belgium coast and the Northern Barrage - possibly as a wartime build of a new type of coastal installation, similar to building AMCs
- Splitting the KE type into four types: ASW Corvettes, MS, Colonial Gunboats, and in WW2, Destroyer Escorts (AA and ASW)
- Clarity in strategic map naval strength calculations used in blockades and invasions
- Inclusion of submarines and naval aircraft in strategic naval strength calculations
- Other start points (eg, 1939, 1945)
- Diplomatic  consequences for both unrestricted submarine warfare and blockade
- Options for blockade similar to Prize Rules / Unrestricted, eg, Blockade neutrals, as this had major impact on the effectiveness of the blockade and diplomatic consequences

[captainloggy]

Additionally to that: Procurement systems for torpedos, guns and missiles

[eaterofsuns]

Apr 27, 2020 7:11:48 GMT -6 captainloggy said:

Additionally to that: Procurement systems for torpedos, guns and missiles

This here would be exactly what a DLC could explore. I would like to see SSMs and SAMs implemented as fully intended originally, but I would very gladly pay for a DLC down the road that adds procurement like aircraft for all those systems, and that extends the end date out to the 1960s-70s. I don't think the engine could be taken much further that with the current implementation of Subs, as they become increasingly tactically pervasive. Just let the game go far enough out for me to play with Kiev lookalikes . Oh and as an added bonus, those dates might get us into the realm of early CIWS implementations.