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Post by cabalamat on Sept 14, 2020 21:42:49 GMT -6
What ship designs would Britain (and other countries) have built without the Washington Naval Treaty? We know about the G3 and N3 classes, (and their American and Japanese equivalents) but what after those ships? I'm doing a playthrough as Britain (see Historically Accurate Royal Navy ) where I'm trying to build historically accurate (or at least historically-influenced) ships.
I'm inviting everyone to put their own designs for what Britain would build after the G3s (not just battleships, all kinds of ships). Go to that thread to do it...
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Post by seawolf on Sept 15, 2020 1:25:48 GMT -6
What ship designs would Britain (and other countries) have built without the Washington Naval Treaty? We know about the G3 and N3 classes, (and their American and Japanese equivalents) but what after those ships? I'm doing a playthrough as Britain (see Historically Accurate Royal Navy ) where I'm trying to build historically accurate (or at least historically-influenced) ships.
I'm inviting everyone to put their own designs for what Britain would build after the G3s (not just battleships, all kinds of ships). Go to that thread to do it...
You might have seen things like Dreadnought or Orion, where the succeeding two classes (Bellerophon and St Vincent, King George V and Iron Duke,Respectively) were basically repeats of the same general format, with improvements to things like armor and secondary batteries (But because that's a boring answer I'll work on something)
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Post by seawolf on Sept 15, 2020 1:44:35 GMT -6
Battleships Design P3, an intermediate design to provide a more useful ship than the fast but less armored G3s and the slow N3s, based on the O3 "Nelson" design for a constrained battleship, but without the constraints Design Q3, a G3 with 3 Quadruple 16" Turrets, made with the help of French experts with the goal of providing a faster rate of fire at a similar broadside weight compared to the G3s
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Post by seawolf on Sept 15, 2020 1:47:25 GMT -6
Battlecruisers Design F3, another derivative of the O3 Battleship, essentially a design aimed at meeting the minimum requirements for a modern Battlecruiser, to provide the admiralty with more hulls Design E3, the exact opposite of F3, seeks to take N3's armament and armor, and put it on a hull reaching 31 knots
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 15, 2020 9:30:16 GMT -6
What ship designs would Britain (and other countries) have built without the Washington Naval Treaty? We know about the G3 and N3 classes, (and their American and Japanese equivalents) but what after those ships? I'm doing a playthrough as Britain (see Historically Accurate Royal Navy ) where I'm trying to build historically accurate (or at least historically-influenced) ships.
I'm inviting everyone to put their own designs for what Britain would build after the G3s (not just battleships, all kinds of ships). Go to that thread to do it...
Would the British in your scenario still have the economic problems present after WW1, that is what generated the idea of the Washington Naval Treaty. The British were leaning towards 18 inch. guns. British Navy After 1919.pdf (116.35 KB)
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Post by cabalamat on Sept 15, 2020 12:04:25 GMT -6
What ship designs would Britain (and other countries) have built without the Washington Naval Treaty? We know about the G3 and N3 classes, (and their American and Japanese equivalents) but what after those ships? I'm doing a playthrough as Britain (see Historically Accurate Royal Navy ) where I'm trying to build historically accurate (or at least historically-influenced) ships.
I'm inviting everyone to put their own designs for what Britain would build after the G3s (not just battleships, all kinds of ships). Go to that thread to do it...
Would the British in your scenario still have the economic problems present after WW1, that is what generated the idea of the Washington Naval Treaty. The British were leaning towards 18 inch. guns.
That looks like it's from The Grand Fleet by D K Brown, which is a good book.
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Post by cabalamat on Sept 15, 2020 12:07:05 GMT -6
If you go to my original thread -- the link to which I posted upthread, its here: nws-online.proboards.com/thread/5330/historically-accurate-royal-navy?page=8 -- then there's a save file that people can use to design ships that works in this playthrough. It would make sense if people replied on that thread, rather than here. Sorry I didn't make that more explicitly clear earlier.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 15, 2020 12:13:32 GMT -6
Would the British in your scenario still have the economic problems present after WW1, that is what generated the idea of the Washington Naval Treaty. The British were leaning towards 18 inch. guns. It is, I thought it might be useful.
That looks like it's from The Grand Fleet by D K Brown, which is a good book.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 15, 2020 12:31:32 GMT -6
Here is my ship -
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Post by spacenerd4 on Sept 15, 2020 12:42:31 GMT -6
Only 10in of armor on an 18 inch gun mount? Flashfires galore!
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 15, 2020 14:27:48 GMT -6
Only 10in of armor on an 18 inch gun mount? Flashfires galore! With good ammunition handling procedures and powder, along with good tactics, this ship will survive quite well. Not every naval battle is Jutland and the Denmark Straits. Those were battlecruisers, not battleships. Just a reminder, the HMS Rodney only had 7.25 inch on the roof,11 inch. on the side and 16 inch on the face.
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Post by spacenerd4 on Sept 15, 2020 15:21:12 GMT -6
Ok, but that's ignoring the fact that facing anything larger than a CA at close range would knock out all turrets within minutes.
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Post by oldpop2000 on Sept 15, 2020 16:01:27 GMT -6
Ok, but that's ignoring the fact that facing anything larger than a CA at close range would knock out all turrets within minutes. I wasn't ignoring anything, again superior tactics will prevail. You can't build a ship against every threat. A ship is a system. Within that system is the crew and tactics, always an important part of the ship as a whole.
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Post by dohboy on Sept 15, 2020 17:19:08 GMT -6
I'm not sure what superior tactics would work with that ship. The 3.5" TT armor would concern me even more than the 10" T. It has sloped deck without extended armor, so it's basically a pipe with paper over the ends to keep the ocean out. The -1 quality 18" guns seem like a waste, it makes more sense to me to take smaller quality 0/1 guns over that and use the tonnage elsewhere. It's too slow for a BC and too soft for a BB.
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Post by lucur on Sept 16, 2020 2:47:27 GMT -6
Didn't the brits gravitate to twin 3in secondary/DP guns in the 40s? Also, 10in of turret armor is way too little for that large a gun. I've just recently had a flash fire on my japanese fast BB with 17in guns and 15in of turret armor, caused by an enemy 16in gun at medium range (maybe 10000 yards-ish).
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