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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on Sept 20, 2020 23:29:42 GMT -6
I feel like it would be nice if there was an option to slow down the pace of gun development just like the slow aircraft development option. I would like a system like this, as I enjoy seeing the first generation of dreadnoughts to be armed with smaller guns, rather than the first generation being armed with 15 inch guns.
If this could be considered it would be appreciated, Thank you.
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Post by dia on Sept 21, 2020 23:45:33 GMT -6
I often see other players complaining about fast gun development and some claiming during the course of the patches gun development was slowed, then increased again. Many claim the base game gun development is already too fast compared to what it should be, so maybe instead of an option to slow gun development, slow down gun development to the base game and add an option for fast gun development. Personally I also find gun development to be rather fast and I rarely if ever see dreadnoughts armed with 12" guns.
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Post by smrfisher on Oct 7, 2020 11:59:57 GMT -6
I find that the rate of development rather close to history. If you consider the RN and leaving out the misfits from South American and the Ottomans, main gun calibre grew in 7 years (HMS Dreadnought laid down Oct '05 and HMS Queen Elizabeth in Oct'12) by 25%, and shell weight by 228%.
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Post by nimrod on Oct 7, 2020 13:18:34 GMT -6
I don't take a strong view, but gun development doesn't seem really off to me either. A decent number of 14" and 15" guns were designed around 1912. What I see is a very fast transition to them being in-service and the various design combinations and how they are pumped out of the shipyards.
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Post by seawolf on Oct 8, 2020 12:13:10 GMT -6
I don't take a strong view, but gun development doesn't seem really off to me either. A decent number of 14" and 15" guns were designed around 1912. What I see is a very fast transition to them being in-service and the various design combinations and how they are pumped out of the shipyards. 1912 is fine, the problem is seeing 14" guns around 1907, entirely skipping the Dreadnoughts |
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Post by nimrod on Oct 12, 2020 16:10:20 GMT -6
I don't take a strong view, but gun development doesn't seem really off to me either. A decent number of 14" and 15" guns were designed around 1912. What I see is a very fast transition to them being in-service and the various design combinations and how they are pumped out of the shipyards. 1912 is fine, the problem is seeing 14" guns around 1907, entirely skipping the Dreadnoughts Sorry for the late response Seawolf.
How are you defining Dreadnoughts? I think I see ships comparable to HMS Dreadnought coming from Japan, Russia, Italy, AH through 1909-1911.
I'm usually seeing B's with 12" guns in four turrets (two wing with two center line) coming into service until about 1909 with the countries noted above and then it switches almost like magic to 15" BC 's and BB's across the board in the early 10's. A lot of the time the wing turrets stay in production through the early 1920's in my games.
The UK usually leads the pack with the introduction of BB's and BC's with 4 turrets and 15" guns with production starting around 1908. I can live with a few -1 14" ships at that time period as the in-service date is 1909-1910. However, in most of my games 14" guns are skipped, and it is usually 15" guns. For everyone to jump on the bandwagon due to tech selling or ordering from a foreign port is where the game loses me. Seeing an 8 in service ship BB class with triple gunned 15" turrets from the UK around 1910 means the game loses me. Seeing what appears to be a sister same ship in French and Russian service around 1911...
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Post by aeson on Oct 12, 2020 16:52:22 GMT -6
1912 is fine, the problem is seeing 14" guns around 1907, entirely skipping the Dreadnoughts Sorry for the late response Seawolf.
How are you defining Dreadnoughts? I think I see ships comparable to HMS Dreadnought coming from Japan, Russia, Italy, AH through 1909-1911.
I'm usually seeing B's with 12" guns in four turrets (two wing with two center line) coming into service until about 1909 with the countries noted above and then it switches almost like magic to 15" BC 's and BB's across the board in the early 10's. A lot of the time the wing turrets stay in production through the early 1920's in my games.
The UK usually leads the pack with the introduction of BB's and BC's with 4 turrets and 15" guns with production starting around 1908. I can live with a few -1 14" ships at that time period as the in-service date is 1909-1910. However, in most of my games 14" guns are skipped, and it is usually 15" guns. For everyone to jump on the bandwagon due to tech selling or ordering from a foreign port is where the game loses me. Seeing an 8 in service ship BB class with triple gunned 15" turrets from the UK around 1910 means the game loses me. Seeing what appears to be a sister same ship in French and Russian service around 1911...
Most likely, seawolf is using 'dreadnought' to refer to ships roughly comparable to the historical HMS Dreadnought - ships of about twenty to twenty-five thousand tons capable of around 21 knots and armed with eight to twelve 11" or 12" guns, of which usually eight or ten could bear on the broadside - and which are distinct from the later 'superdreadnoughts,' which tended to be notably larger (about twenty-five to thirty-five thousand tons) and were armed with much heavier guns (13.5" on the British Orion, 14" on the American New York and Japanese Fuso, 15" on the German Bayern, 13.4" on the French Bretagne). |
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Post by nimrod on Oct 13, 2020 10:09:30 GMT -6
Thank you aeson, that is what I thought, but I wanted to make sure that the game was following reality. Their are some questions on what a ton is in game and issues getting real world speed and tonnages to match.
I'm roughly seeing those ships from Japan, Russia, Italy and AH being commissioned through the 1908-1911 period. They are usually on the lighter weight side - often sub or just over 20K tons. They also seem to usually have an extra knot or two of speed, but the armor is all over the place in my games and some as slow as 18 knots. England seems to jump to BC's / superdreads about 1908. With France and other countries following in the early 1910's.
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