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Post by ck07 on May 25, 2022 15:01:54 GMT -6
In 1906 I took Liaotung peninsula from Russia. Changed Russia surprise attack location in JapanWarInfo.dat to Vladivostok. But no matter how many times I start a new war, I don't get a surprise attack. Anyone know why?
While we're here, does anyone know the peace terms value of the Koreas? Is there a list somewhere?
Thanks.
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Post by seawolf on May 25, 2022 16:03:12 GMT -6
In 1906 I took Liaotung peninsula from Russia. Changed Russia surprise attack location in JapanWarInfo.dat to Vladivostok. But no matter how many times I start a new war, I don't get a surprise attack. Anyone know why? While we're here, does anyone know the peace terms value of the Koreas? Is there a list somewhere? Thanks. Vladivostok is a stock surprise attack location against Russia. It probably broke when you changed the WarInfo file. |
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Post by dia on May 25, 2022 17:28:17 GMT -6
In 1906 I took Liaotung peninsula from Russia. Changed Russia surprise attack location in JapanWarInfo.dat to Vladivostok. But no matter how many times I start a new war, I don't get a surprise attack. Anyone know why? While we're here, does anyone know the peace terms value of the Koreas? Is there a list somewhere? Thanks. You should check out this thread. TLDR, you have to edit the MapData.dat file for custom surprise attacks. I was going to make a guide for this but decided to hold off for the dlc new game which ended up being a longer wait than expected. I might still do it for RtW3.
Unfortunately I never got a dev to chime in on the issue with why editing warinfo files didn't work for custom surprise attacks. |
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Post by ck07 on May 25, 2022 23:57:12 GMT -6
In 1906 I took Liaotung peninsula from Russia. Changed Russia surprise attack location in JapanWarInfo.dat to Vladivostok. But no matter how many times I start a new war, I don't get a surprise attack. Anyone know why? While we're here, does anyone know the peace terms value of the Koreas? Is there a list somewhere? Thanks. Vladivostok is a stock surprise attack location against Russia. It probably broke when you changed the WarInfo file. Should have been clear: couldn't do it before I changed JapanWarInfo.dat either. |
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Post by ck07 on May 25, 2022 23:59:27 GMT -6
In 1906 I took Liaotung peninsula from Russia. Changed Russia surprise attack location in JapanWarInfo.dat to Vladivostok. But no matter how many times I start a new war, I don't get a surprise attack. Anyone know why? While we're here, does anyone know the peace terms value of the Koreas? Is there a list somewhere? Thanks. You should check out this thread. TLDR, you have to edit the MapData.dat file for custom surprise attacks. I was going to make a guide for this but decided to hold off for the dlc new game which ended up being a longer wait than expected. I might still do it for RtW3.
Unfortunately I never got a dev to chime in on the issue with why editing warinfo files didn't work for custom surprise attacks. Checked MapData.dat. Both Port Arthur and Vladivostok have DefenderSurprised = 0. |
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Post by seawolf on May 26, 2022 0:26:43 GMT -6
Vladivostok is a stock surprise attack location against Russia. It probably broke when you changed the WarInfo file. Should have been clear: couldn't do it before I changed JapanWarInfo.dat either. Just for fun, I'd suggest starting a new 1920 Japan start and editing high tensions with Russia. It could be that its just a 1920 thing, but Vladivostok definitely has a stock surprise attack coded. If it doesn't work in 1920(I'd save and retry several times to check), then something's probably broken with your game-I'd suggested restoring to stock and remodding bit by bit. |
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Post by ck07 on May 26, 2022 4:38:14 GMT -6
Should have been clear: couldn't do it before I changed JapanWarInfo.dat either. Just for fun, I'd suggest starting a new 1920 Japan start and editing high tensions with Russia. It could be that its just a 1920 thing, but Vladivostok definitely has a stock surprise attack coded. If it doesn't work in 1920(I'd save and retry several times to check), then something's probably broken with your game-I'd suggested restoring to stock and remodding bit by bit. This didn't work until I edited JapWarInfo20.dat, but I may have been restoring the original; may have got confused whether my backup file actually was a backup. (Also got a surprise invasion vs. UK but not a surprise attack.) Then I put back (what I think was) the Original JapWarInfo00.dat, but again not sure I have it right. But my 1908 save would not work--would not allow "next turn." Do you have originals of all 3 JapWarInfo files? If yes, could you provide? My e-mail is ck07@lehigh.edu. Thanks. |
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Post by ck07 on May 26, 2022 10:01:08 GMT -6
I may have solved this. Maybe each target country can only be surprised once?
Suggestive evidence:
In a new game with (what I think are) unmodified .dat files, I fought Russia in 1901 and technically got a surprise attack but no battle as Russia had no ships in the region. Afterward Russia still had Liaotung Peninsula.
Then another war in 1903. Started it 4 times, and did not get a surprise attack even once (p = 0.16%).
Does anyone know of Japan getting 2 surprise attacks against the same country? If not, can anyone suggest where the code enforcing this might be found?
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Post by dia on May 26, 2022 14:07:07 GMT -6
Does anyone know of Japan getting 2 surprise attacks against the same country? If not, can anyone suggest where the code enforcing this might be found? I've gotten two against Russia before in the same game, a 1900 start. Both against Vladivostok, one in 1931 and the other 1935. One was a submarine era surprise attack and the other an air era surprise attack.
Maybe you can only do one per enemy per era though I'm still convinced the MapData file is what manages surprise attacks.
Edit: after look back at the the after action reports, both were submarine era surprise attacks.
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Post by ck07 on May 26, 2022 23:27:42 GMT -6
Does anyone know of Japan getting 2 surprise attacks against the same country? If not, can anyone suggest where the code enforcing this might be found? I've gotten two against Russia before in the same game, a 1900 start. Both against Vladivostok, one in 1931 and the other 1935. One was a submarine era surprise attack and the other an air era surprise attack.
Maybe you can only do one per enemy per era though I'm still convinced the MapData file is what manages surprise attacks.
Edit: after look back at the the after action reports, both were submarine era surprise attacks.
I did finally get one on a 5th try, without monkeying with any files. Now I have no idea what's flying; 4 fails in a row should never happen. This time the Russian tension bar has a large "B" under the word WAR. Any one know what that means? |
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Post by hawkeye on May 27, 2022 2:35:28 GMT -6
It means that you are blockading Russia
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Post by kagami777 on May 28, 2022 0:30:05 GMT -6
I've gotten two against Russia before in the same game, a 1900 start. Both against Vladivostok, one in 1931 and the other 1935. One was a submarine era surprise attack and the other an air era surprise attack.
Maybe you can only do one per enemy per era though I'm still convinced the MapData file is what manages surprise attacks.
Edit: after look back at the the after action reports, both were submarine era surprise attacks.
I did finally get one on a 5th try, without monkeying with any files. Now I have no idea what's flying; 4 fails in a row should never happen. This time the Russian tension bar has a large "B" under the word WAR. Any one know what that means? Given I think you have less than 20% chance of getting a surprise attack that sounds about right actually. its like rolling to get a surprise attack in DnD. |
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Post by ck07 on May 28, 2022 6:47:22 GMT -6
I did finally get one on a 5th try, without monkeying with any files. Now I have no idea what's flying; 4 fails in a row should never happen. This time the Russian tension bar has a large "B" under the word WAR. Any one know what that means? Given I think you have less than 20% chance of getting a surprise attack that sounds about right actually. its like rolling to get a surprise attack in DnD. As Japan it is supposed to be 80%. I see that in RTW_GAME_MANUAL05b. |
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Post by ck07 on Jun 2, 2022 9:54:24 GMT -6
Problem persisted through that game, but in the next I'm 3/3 so far.
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