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Post by captainloggy on Mar 23, 2020 9:24:00 GMT -6
captainloggy - Obslotete - a combined word made from: 1) Obsolete - outmoded, no longer useful or unfashionable 2) low - down, unsportsmanlike or distasteful 3) tete - French for head It is a slang term meaning: hungover, having gone on an extended drinking session in dingy, disreputable dive bars after being declared surplus-to-requirements. So.. . pretty much the Royal Navy in the fifties.
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Post by director on Mar 23, 2020 10:45:18 GMT -6
True of most military establishments at one time or another, I suppose.
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Post by aeson on Mar 23, 2020 21:06:15 GMT -6
Meet the Imperial Japanese Navy's two finest carriers: Oops, make that Japan's finest carrier and the new artificial reef off Takao, Formosa.
I'm pretty sure Awaji was just commissioned, too, but it had the misfortune to accompany the luck-vampire of the Japanese carrier fleet, Amagi, in a force opposing an American coastal raid on Formosa. You see, Amagi has been in three major engagements in this war - in the first, it was one of seven CVs and three CVLs, of which six CVs and one CVL were sunk while Amagi was merely heavily damaged; in the second, it was one of five CVs accompanied by a CVL, of which three CVs and the CVL were sunk while Amagi was lightly damaged and the fifth CV (Unryu, 21,900 tons and 61 planes) was heavily damaged; and now, in the third engagement in which it took part, Japan deployed five CVs and a CVL, of which two, Awaji and the aforementioned Unryu, were sunk, while Amagi again escaped with just light damage despite its many bomb hits.
It looks like Awaji probably could've survived the bomb hits it took - based on the ship's logs, I'm pretty sure that the damage from the bombs was contained - but if battleships hadn't shown up and finished the job first, follow-up air attacks probably would have since there was plenty of time left in the engagement.
Fortunately for me, I'm playing the Americans.
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Post by seawolf on Mar 24, 2020 1:32:11 GMT -6
Meet the Imperial Japanese Navy's two finest carriers:
Oops, make that Japan's finest carrier and the new artificial reef off Takao, Formosa.
I'm pretty sure Awaji was just commissioned, too, but it had the misfortune to accompany the luck-vampire of the Japanese carrier fleet, Amagi, in a force opposing an American coastal raid on Formosa. You see, Amagi has been in three major engagements in this war - in the first, it was one of seven CVs and three CVLs, of which six CVs and one CVL were sunk while Amagi was merely heavily damaged; in the second, it was one of five CVs accompanied by a CVL, of which three CVs and the CVL were sunk while Amagi was lightly damaged and the fifth CV (Unryu, 21,900 tons and 61 planes) was heavily damaged; and now, in the third engagement in which it took part, Japan deployed five CVs and a CVL, of which two, Awaji and the aforementioned Unryu, were sunk, while Amagi again escaped with just light damage despite its many bomb hits.
It looks like Awaji probably could've survived the bomb hits it took - based on the ship's logs, I'm pretty sure that the damage from the bombs was contained - but if battleships hadn't shown up and finished the job first, follow-up air attacks probably would have since there was plenty of time left in the engagement.
Fortunately for me, I'm playing the Americans.
Honestly one of the things that surprised me the most about my 1936 start is how often I was on the other end of this sort of loss for a carrier battle. One good Japanese torpedo run and I lost both lexingtons. A year into the war and I was down to the Ranger and the Hornet
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Post by aeson on Mar 24, 2020 15:38:17 GMT -6
Italy, how you tease me... I mean, really, 49 flotation points remaining with 42 flooding; couldn't you have just sunk?
Also, maybe I ought to have more than just one light cruiser in the area... At least the French had my back and sent a whole two light cruisers to assist me.
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Post by dorn on Mar 24, 2020 16:04:39 GMT -6
Italy, how you tease me...
I mean, really, 49 flotation points remaining with 42 flooding; couldn't you have just sunk?
Also, maybe I ought to have more than just one light cruiser in the area... At least the French had my back and sent a whole two light cruisers to assist me.
35 hits on enemy ship. I would say, that ship is good design being quite lucky.
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Post by dorn on Mar 25, 2020 13:33:06 GMT -6
I put in thread as humour, but I am not certain if it is.
I wanted to test my new carrier with armoured deck so I start exercise. My carrier has no planes at all, the opposing carrier (light carrier) was CVL with 20 aircraft. I choose standard start (close), day time and wait. Both carriers on intercept course and AI change course as soon as it can see mine.
Now what happened: - during whole day (8 hours) she was able to attack me only with one strike - whole strike was unable to hit me even 1 bomb even if I give my carrier order to full stop - enemy carrier reappeared again and again - as soon as it can see me, she change course on opposite direction. As soon as she cannot see me, she change course opposite to me
As I was dissatisfied, I tried to run this scenario 5 times: - 2 times no air attack on my carrier - how it is possible to miss carrier which stopped and which is reported not only by aircraft by the crew using optics - 3 times only 1 attack per day!, no hit achieved
note: pilots were "fair", year 1935
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Post by graforlok on Mar 27, 2020 7:51:15 GMT -6
Well Russia, accepting this battle wasn't very clever at all. But fighting it at night was ridiculously stupid. Before the war, my new fleet CL came into service. So I started to refit the old ones for colonial duty and right before this battle they were ready. Also my new generation of DD (1,500 with quad launchers) finished their construction. Together with the older ones with triple launchers, they allowed you to walk over water like Jesus. Apparently Russia had only short ranged CL and DD ready and they choose a battle far out of range for them.
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Post by euchrejack on Mar 27, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -6
I thought it was funny when I started playing as the Confederate States of America with the goal of taking territory from the United States, and they offered me an Alliance. I guess that is one way to reunite the American States...
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Post by director on Mar 27, 2020 16:35:48 GMT -6
I have often played the USA in Paradox Games' Victoria 1 & 2. One of the funny things that can happen is, you can let the South go (with a war or not), then diplomatically bring them into your sphere of influence and - hey! - re-unification happens. I also have enjoyed playing the RtW1 USAvsCSA scenario. 'The Glory of the Yankee Navy' indeed. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqduPZE2AJQ
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Post by dorn on Mar 27, 2020 19:15:59 GMT -6
Germany in 1936 (start 1920)
International situation - Germany at brink of war with UK (tension 11)
Reichsmarine: 4 x BB - 140 000 tons 3 x BC - 100 900 tons 1 x CV - 36 000 tons 1 x CVL - 7 600 tons 4 x CA - 31 900 tons 16 x CL - 89 700 tons 29 x DD - 40 900 tons 17 x KE - 13 500 tons 30 x SS TOTAL - 460 500 tons
Actual construction program: 4 x BB - 140 800 tons 2 x CV - 45 600 tons 3 x CVL - 34 200 tons 3 x CA - 38 700 tons 5 x CL - 43 000 tons (+ additional 4 planned - 27 200 tons - request 12 cruisers by the Naval secretary) TOTAL - 302 300 tons (with planned construction 329 500 tons) + 3 coastal 15.2 com batteries + 2 airbases + 2 airbases expansion note: 42.5 M per month out of budget 43.6 M per month. About 10 months to bankrupt. Except light carriers (8, 11 and 15 months to completion), all ships need at least 14 months.
It seems as a quite ambitious rearmament program.
Royal Navy for comparison: 14 x BB - 516 000 tons (more than whole Reichsmarine) 8 x BC - 303 000 tons 2 x CV - 44 000 tons 9 x CVL - 90 000 tons 3 x CA - 25 500 tons 31 x CL - 192 400 tons 48 x DD - 73 000 tons 29 x KE - 22 500 tons TOTAL - 1 266 400 tons
New construction of Royal Navy: 2 x BB - 82 600 tons 2 x CA - 27 000 tons 2 x CL - 12 200 tons 1 x KE - 600 tons TOTAL - 122 400 tons
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Post by rimbecano on Mar 28, 2020 2:20:55 GMT -6
Just got the following back to back:
"With tensions low, parliament votes to reduce naval spending."
and
"The nationalist party manages to get parliament to authorize increased spending for the navy."
February/March 1905 must have been *very* interesting month in Congress.
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Post by director on Mar 28, 2020 12:24:27 GMT -6
Pre-election bid for votes which fails and is reversed post-election?
As the old joke goes, "If Pro and Con are opposites, what is the opposite of Progress?"
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Post by rimbecano on Mar 28, 2020 13:40:44 GMT -6
Pre-election bid for votes which fails and is reversed post-election? That would make sense if the month in-game were November (playing as the US). :-)
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Post by dorn on Mar 28, 2020 14:06:41 GMT -6
It seems that carrier starts flying itself ....
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